Anything better than the caad for an alloy frame? Cinelli?

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Gehenna
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http://www.falcobike.com/index.php/falc ... ?key=saker

Worth a check, i think. Especially if you want to make your own build not weighed down by generic stock bits.

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wingguy wrote:
Multebear wrote:
sefton wrote:
Anything better than the caad for an alloy frame? Cinelli?



No, not really. Only different.

The Caad 10 is exactly as good as the carbon version Supersix Evo, it's just not as compliant. And a bit heavier.

So, um, not quite as good then? :P


Performance wise, I'd say they are the same. Stiffness is great, handling is excellent, and the fit is very good and aggressive with a short headtube. The Caad 10 is perfect as training- or winterbike.

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Gehenna wrote:http://www.falcobike.com/index.php/falcobike/view_product?key=saker

Worth a check, i think. Especially if you want to make your own build not weighed down by generic stock bits.

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Another to consider is Bowman Palace:
http://road.cc/content/review/138478-bo ... e-and-fork

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What about the Condor Italia RC

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martinko wrote:Another to consider is Bowman Palace:
http://road.cc/content/review/138478-bo ... e-and-fork


Especially with the new one coming out (treaded BB!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayXCUUZz8J4

Add in the low GBP exchange rate and the pre-order discount code, and it's a price that's hard to beat at the moment.

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Those Bowman welds!

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Multebear wrote:
sefton wrote:
Anything better than the caad for an alloy frame? Cinelli?



No, not really. Only different.

The Caad 10 is exactly as good as the carbon version Supersix Evo, it's just not as compliant. And a bit heavier.

It's a different type of ride (of course, given it's a different material) to the Evo. But to say it's 'not as compliant' is selling it short. To the point where I'll disagree. It's also more than a winter or training bike. My CAAD10 is my race bike. And if it's fine for me to pilot through a Melbourne to Warrnambool (280km race) then I really cannot think of many more tests it might need to pass to prove it's better than some carbon bikes (some of which I have owned).

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Here is some additional information regarding the the highly rated aluminum/scandium frameset/bicycle available available since model year 2015 in the Japanese market:

http://ysroad.co.jp/osaka/2016/09/07/19204 (The 2017 Pantani Replica, I believe sold as a complete bicycle "out-of-the-box."')

Rumor has it that Bianchi is considering importing a Pantani Replica replica to the US....but my source did not say if it was a carbon bike or the aluminum/scandium bike as pictured, below:

http://bianchi-store.jp/store_news/yoko ... C_0356.jpg

http://bianchi-store.jp/store_news/conc ... 0d07a5.jpg

http://www.rideworks.jp/event/602.html

http://www.ysroad.net/shopnews/detail.php?bid=382021

http://www.climbbikes.com/2016_09_05_71694.html

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Tinea Pedis wrote:
It's a different type of ride (of course, given it's a different material) to the Evo. But to say it's 'not as compliant' is selling it short. To the point where I'll disagree. It's also more than a winter or training bike. My CAAD10 is my race bike. And if it's fine for me to pilot through a Melbourne to Warrnambool (280km race) then I really cannot think of many more tests it might need to pass to prove it's better than some carbon bikes (some of which I have owned).



I sold my Caad 10 a couple of months ago, because it wasn't as compliant as my Supersix Evo Hi-Mod. My back was aching after longer rides on the Caad, that isn't the case with my Supersix. Maybe your back is stronger, or maybe you don't have a Supersix to make a comparison. I've done at least 10k km on both of them in the same period of time. Some days I rode the Supersix and some days I rode the Caad. I mostly rode the Caad on weekdays, and the Supersix in the weekends while racing. But if the weather was perfect, I rode the Supersix on weekdays as well. I did a lot of switching back and forth between them. And I had the exact same settings on both. Same saddle, stem and bar as well. So to make a comparison between the two is pretty straight forward for me.

I'm not suggesting the Caad isn't a raceworthy bike, but it is more harsh than it's carbon brother.

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Tinea Pedis wrote:Those Bowman welds!

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Not sure what sort of lighting they used for those pictures, but this is what mine looks like (cropped from a couple of different photos):

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Multebear wrote:
Tinea Pedis wrote:
It's a different type of ride (of course, given it's a different material) to the Evo. But to say it's 'not as compliant' is selling it short. To the point where I'll disagree. It's also more than a winter or training bike. My CAAD10 is my race bike. And if it's fine for me to pilot through a Melbourne to Warrnambool (280km race) then I really cannot think of many more tests it might need to pass to prove it's better than some carbon bikes (some of which I have owned).



I sold my Caad 10 a couple of months ago, because it wasn't as compliant as my Supersix Evo Hi-Mod. My back was aching after longer rides on the Caad, that isn't the case with my Supersix. Maybe your back is stronger, or maybe you don't have a Supersix to make a comparison. I've done at least 10k km on both of them in the same period of time. Some days I rode the Supersix and some days I rode the Caad. I mostly rode the Caad on weekdays, and the Supersix in the weekends while racing. But if the weather was perfect, I rode the Supersix on weekdays as well. I did a lot of switching back and forth between them. And I had the exact same settings on both. Same saddle, stem and bar as well. So to make a comparison between the two is pretty straight forward for me.

I'm not suggesting the Caad isn't a raceworthy bike, but it is more harsh than it's carbon brother.

Given I sold my S2 because it caused me lower back pain and I had the latest Super Six Evo Hi Mod to compare my CAAD10 to (I'm a freelance writer/bike reviewer) I'm happy with my feelings on the two. It's not gospel. It's a shame your CAAD10 seemingly beat you up.

Your last statement is also relative. And I expect some reading it will take it out of context. But this is the internet so happy to leave it be.

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Interesting how different human bodies can react on a certain frame. Since I have a CAAD10, I don't suffer from any lower back issues anymore. I understand this probably could be the geometry as well. I must admit that I actually don't have a full weight weenie saddle, but one that gives me slightly more cushioning and comfort (it's the stock Prologo Kappa Evo saddle that came with the bike).

I have choosen a CAAD10 on purpose, knowing that alloy is more direct and harsh compared with a carbon frame. Alloy gives me simply better feedback from the road and I can notice a better reactivity on accelarations.

I have also had a Canyon alloy frame, which was very stiff as well. Canyon comes very close to Cannondale, also in terms of the overall quality. But I went for the Cannondale because of its geometry and turned out to be a good choice for me. The CAAD10 is definitely a keeper to me 8)
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@ Tinea Pedis

I'm not in any way suggesting, that the Caad 10 isn't raceworthy or compliant at all. In fact, I love it, and I would buy it (or maybe a Caad 12) again, if it wasn't for my back problems, and maybe I will do it anyway despite my bach problems. And of all of the alloy frames out there, I wouldn't hesitate a second to recommend it to everyone interested in alloy frames.

I'm just saying, that it isn't as compliant as the Supersix. And since the two are made of different materials, but besides from that they are identical, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. If you don't feel any difference between the two - I'm happy for you, that saves you a lot of money, but there may be a ton of reasons for that. But I feel a noticable difference to the extent, that my back at the end wasn't capable of riding more than two days in a row on the Caad. With my Supersix I'm able to ride five days in a row with no back issues. At the time with the issues I was around 90 kg's, maybe that's what made the difference. I don't know.

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Kinesis Aithein (probably the lightest and still very very rideable for racing etc.)
Rose SL 3000 (too good for the money!)
Canyon ultimate AL (overall very good, but wouldn't be my first pic)
Specialized Allez smartweld (if you want something racy)
Colnago Strada SL (probably the most beautiful)

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Multebear wrote:@ Tinea Pedis

I'm not in any way suggesting, that the Caad 10 isn't raceworthy or compliant at all. In fact, I love it, and I would buy it (or maybe a Caad 12) again, if it wasn't for my back problems, and maybe I will do it anyway despite my bach problems. And of all of the alloy frames out there, I wouldn't hesitate a second to recommend it to everyone interested in alloy frames.

I'm just saying, that it isn't as compliant as the Supersix. And since the two are made of different materials, but besides from that they are identical, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. If you don't feel any difference between the two - I'm happy for you, that saves you a lot of money, but there may be a ton of reasons for that. But I feel a noticable difference to the extent, that my back at the end wasn't capable of riding more than two days in a row on the Caad. With my Supersix I'm able to ride five days in a row with no back issues. At the time with the issues I was around 90 kg's, maybe that's what made the difference. I don't know.


It sure wasn't your weight, I weigh 89kg though :wink:
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