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Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:51 am
by Raccooningtanuki
I have osymetric waiting to go on. I have Ultegra di2 on a propel advanced I could swap over. I was considering a sram force cx1 1x10 or 11. Is there an option I'm missing? I kind of want to stay mechanical since I've done 10+ hour rides before. Osymetric 1x10/11 is appealing. There's nearly 0 sram support in Japan. :|. It currently has first gen 10 speed Ultegra on it.

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:32 am
by Miller
Out of interest, how does mechanical shifting relate to 10 hour rides? I would expect an e-shift battery to last that long :-) Are you really going to do 10 hour rides on a TT bike anyway?

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:32 am
by Weenie

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:04 pm
by Raccooningtanuki
Miller wrote:Out of interest, how does mechanical shifting relate to 10 hour rides? I would expect an e-shift battery to last that long :-) Are you really going to do 10 hour rides on a TT bike anyway?

10 hours so far is longest so far this year. Last year did nearly 2 days straight. But that was on a folding bike that was 40 pounds unloaded and only 7 speeds. Being able to take the weight off my palms is nice. Longest ride on the tt bike so far was only cut short by a pedal that sounded like it was going to explode.
With a bucket cap and full messenger bag I was aero as a brick despite being nearly horizontal to the top tube. :lol:

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:46 am
by Raccooningtanuki
Nobody? No opinions? No suggestions? No campy or bust nutters? No di2 will show you the light followers?

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:29 am
by Dalai
It's Weight Weenies. Which is the lightest?

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:48 am
by olebole
I'm building a 1x11 setup with Ultegra 6800 and an oval n/w chainring. Not worried about dropping the chain on paved surface

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Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:48 am
by Raccooningtanuki
What I'm wondering is if a clutch derailleur will make a difference with osymetric. Obviously of regular derailleurs red's lightest. Clutch derailleurs has shimano's xtr being lightest but not compatible with bar ends. Force cx1 rr is 265g. GX 2.1 is 269g at half the price. About 300$ for di2 bar ends.

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:27 pm
by Miller
Raccooningtanuki wrote:Nobody? No opinions? No suggestions? No campy or bust nutters? No di2 will show you the light followers?


I have Campag EPS on my TT bike and love it but e-groups are optimised for the groupset, not for mix and match. You've said you don't even have local support for Sram so I don't imagine your local shops know much about Campag.

As you've stated you want a one-by Osymmetric set-up you're not in well known territory. Chain retention will certainly be a worry.

I do see why people want single chainring setups but I'm not convinced. A dropped chain ruins your race, I'm no fan either of the wide range cassettes implied by a single front ring. A double front ring more or less eliminates chain drop worries, especially with a chain catcher fitted, and it's more practical in the gear range offered. Sometimes I ride out to events or train on the TT bike and I like to have a lowish gear to get up a hill.

But you should get what you want.

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:25 pm
by Raccooningtanuki
I have Campag EPS on my TT bike and love it but e-groups are optimised for the groupset, not for mix and match. You've said you don't even have local support for Sram so I don't imagine your local shops know much about Campag.

As you've stated you want a one-by Osymmetric set-up you're not in well known territory. Chain retention will certainly be a worry.

I do see why people want single chainring setups but I'm not convinced. A dropped chain ruins your race, I'm no fan either of the wide range cassettes implied by a single front ring. A double front ring more or less eliminates chain drop worries, especially with a chain catcher fitted, and it's more practical in the gear range offered. Sometimes I ride out to events or train on the TT bike and I like to have a lowish gear to get up a hill.

But you should get what you want.

The Ultegra 6600 was finicky until I switched it back to friction. Half the problem is probably a sram cassette too. Ordered a inner 44t. I'll decide a route once I see how the shifting goes. Di2 just for the front to deal with o-rings seems like overkill.

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:20 pm
by junchen
Consider absoluteblack oval narrow wide single chainring and a sram force 1 rear derailleur. The narrow wide chain ring and clutched force 1 derailleur helps in chain retention. The sram force 1 rear derailleur is compatible with 10 or 11 speed sram shifters. End of the day it's a mechanical bike - I'm sure your bike shop would be able to assist u in simple tuning or installation. As for warranty issues, it should be easily resolved if u buy from the major online bike shops.

Having said that, I'm sure ur sram bike will stand out in the land of shimano.

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Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:57 am
by Cheetahmk7
Does it need to be UCI compliant? If so go electric as it gives you more length as the the measuring point for the TT bar end is the tip of the gear lever in a horizontal forward position.

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:15 am
by audiojan
I wouldn't do without my Campy EPS on my tri bike... electronic shifting makes such a big difference

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:41 am
by spdntrxi
love electronic on TT bikes. My TT bikes lasted 2 weeks before I switched to Di2 from mech

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:46 am
by alcatraz
Sure a 1x setup would be lighter but if you are interested in efficiency a 2x would give you smaller crosschaining angles while preserving a wider gear ratio interval.

I don't know about you but I don't like the crosschaining noise that is eating up my watts :-).

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Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:46 am
by Weenie

Re: Groupset for a tt bike?

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:10 pm
by Raccooningtanuki
Update:
Installed the big ring with the small 36 from the original crank using 4 bolts from a sram red crank. Snitched the 11 speed chain too since I didn't want to wait for the 10 speed links and since it was on a 11-28/53t with a medium cage it was just about right. Unluckily the 6600 derailleur won't go high enough so I took it off. Short ride moving around the middle of the cassette hasn't dropped the chain. Just need to hunt down a spacer for the front derailleur.

Considering weight savings. If I just went with bar ends or would a bar end and sprint shifters be lighter? Bout 100g at least could be saved by doing 3t brake levers instead of di2 STIs.