201X Allez Sprint

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jorryt
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The paintjob looks awesome. What parts are you planning to use?

Thinking about buying one but cannot decide between this or a Palace R disc....

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jorryt wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:21 pm
The paintjob looks awesome. What parts are you planning to use?

Thinking about buying one but cannot decide between this or a Palace R disc....
Allez Sprint will be stiffer with generous tire clearance. Many riders reported that it's a Tarmac on steroids. "None of your watts, or steering input get wasted. It turns like a fly, accelerates like a greyhound, and takes all your stomping with indifference"

PALACE:R frame clears up to 25mm. Blast from the past.
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The Palace disc will clear 30mm tires...
I currently ride a caad10 58cm with zero extra stack so 580mm and a 11cm stem. Geometry wise both fit great....
The bowman is cheaper but the disc version is usually more expensive.... Though call.

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jorryt wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:37 pm
The Palace disc will clear 30mm tires...
I currently ride a caad10 58cm with zero extra stack so 580mm and a 11cm stem. Geometry wise both fit great....
The bowman is cheaper but the disc version is usually more expensive.... Though call.
Is there a Palace:R disc frame? Pilgrim frame is disc with endurance geometry.
Rim frame (race geometry) with 25mm clearance: https://bowman-cycles.com/products/bowm ... r-frameset
Disc frame (endurance geometry) with 30mm clearance: https://bowman-cycles.com/products/pilgrims-disc
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mpulsiv wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:08 pm

Is there a Palace:R disc frame? Pilgrim frame is disc with endurance geometry.
Rim frame (race geometry) with 25mm clearance: https://bowman-cycles.com/products/bowm ... r-frameset
Disc frame (endurance geometry) with 30mm clearance: https://bowman-cycles.com/products/pilgrims-disc
Palace R disc is coming. They've released a few hints and photos in the newsletter.
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To anyone who still have doubt of Allez Sprint's tire clearance.
This is image of my Allez Sprint Disc with 650b wheel and 40mm tire. Yes, not typo, 1.5ich tire measure 40.1mm wide!
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The leftover clearance is too small for me to feel comfortable though. So i'll drop to 35mm tire (1.35") for better mud clearance in gravel mode.

Allez Sprint has relatively tall bb (compare to new Tarmac and Venge). When using 650b wheel size which will make the bike a bit lower to the ground this become advantage. It still isn't a gravel bike. But it certainly is capable with 650b wheel size.
The drop in height is not quite noticeable to me. Brief calculation show it to be just (622-584)/2 +25-40 = 4mm down afterall. When switching to 35mm tire it'll be a more noticeable 9mm lower rather than 4mm.

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Hexsense wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:38 am
To anyone who still have doubt of Allez Sprint's tire clearance.
This is image of my Allez Sprint Disc with 650b wheel and 40mm tire. Yes, not typo, 1.5ich tire measure 40.1mm wide!
74312273_534872010685824_7914450031497707520_n.jpg
The leftover clearance is too small for me to feel comfortable though. So i'll drop to 35mm tire (1.35") for better mud clearance in gravel mode.

Allez Sprint has relatively tall bb (compare to new Tarmac and Venge). When using 650b wheel size which will make the bike a bit lower to the ground this become advantage. It still isn't a gravel bike. But it certainly is capable with 650b wheel size.
The drop in height is not quite noticeable to me. Brief calculation show it to be just (622-584)/2 +25-40 = 4mm down afterall. When switching to 35mm tire it'll be a more noticeable 9mm lower rather than 4mm.
I'm impressed. What's the clearance in the fork? That's the bigger limiting factor on the rim brake version.
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I'd imagine the fork on the rim brake might be a limiting factor, but maybe even more so the actual brakes? will normal rim brakes designed for 700c wheels, go around 38's AND reach down to 650 rim brake track?

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CrankAddictsRich wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:39 am
I'd imagine the fork on the rim brake might be a limiting factor, but maybe even more so the actual brakes? will normal rim brakes designed for 700c wheels, go around 38's AND reach down to 650 rim brake track?
My 28c Conti 5000TLs just barely fit in the fork vertically on 23mm wide HED Jet+ rims. I mean like a handful of mm clearance. 6800 brake calipers are pretty tight on the sides of the tire as well.

You're not going to get a 650b on rim brakes unless the frame is designed for it and to get around 38c you'd need Canti or V brakes.

I was just curious how much space the disc fork had. My understanding was that it was another direct take off from the Tarmac and I assumed it'd be fairly tight when you get around 30c or so.
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IrrelevantD wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:15 pm
I assumed it'd be fairly tight when you get around 30c or so.
That is not the case. While rim brake Allez Sprint has Tarmac SL5 fork. The disc version got Tarmac SL6 fork.

This is tire measure 29mm, on 30mm wide rim(700c). And it has around 1cm clearance around the tire.
650b 40mm would fit with more clearance than in the back.
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Hexsense wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:20 am
IrrelevantD wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:15 pm
I assumed it'd be fairly tight when you get around 30c or so.
That is not the case. While rim brake Allez Sprint has Tarmac SL5 fork. The disc version got Tarmac SL6 fork.

This is tire measure 29mm, on 30mm wide rim(700c). And it has around 1cm clearance around the tire.
650b 40mm would fit with more clearance than in the back.
20191025_201816.jpg
Cool, makes me really curious what a Sprint would be like on gravel.

Edit: went back and thought about it, that 650b in the back will also slacken the geometry slightly as well if you keep a 700 in front. Would be a fun experiment.
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Hexsense wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:20 am
This is tire measure 29mm, on 30mm wide rim(700c). And it has around 1cm clearance around the tire.

Oooooohhhh. I'd like the race this setup in a tight crit to see how it would do. Bet it's a blast.

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Hexsense wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:20 am
IrrelevantD wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:15 pm
I assumed it'd be fairly tight when you get around 30c or so.
That is not the case. While rim brake Allez Sprint has Tarmac SL5 fork. The disc version got Tarmac SL6 fork.

This is tire measure 29mm, on 30mm wide rim(700c). And it has around 1cm clearance around the tire.
650b 40mm would fit with more clearance than in the back.
20191025_201816.jpg
How much room does the same 29mm tire have in the back? I wonder if something like a Challenge Almanzo would fit with 4-5mm of room. I had a pair of those tires that were pretty much exactly 33mm on a rim with an inner width of 20.5mm.

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I thought about doing all of this and still ended up going to a CRUX. The Trail and BB drop were too much of a compromise for anything other than well maintained fire roads.

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