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How are people finding the RS winter bib tights?

Still love my LL.habuTights_s7, but fancy something new.
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I like the RS Winter tights, I haven't gotten to use them on a cold enough day to truly compare them to the Ultraz tights, that I started using last winter. But in general I prefer the way the RS are made, similar to comparing the Jodah and Ultraz jackets. What I think I'll see is that the RS is able to provide similar protection in a more lightweight package. I've had the RS tights out on a freezing but otherwise nice day and they worked well. But I haven't gotten them out on a day where it was cold and wet, or with higher winds etc, like I have the Ultraz in the past. I certainly had the feeling of I can't believe how comfortable I am with relatively little kit on compared to other options in the RS.

All of the RS stuff is expensive, but like the 2/3 RS kit, I am a fan of the RS Winter stuff. I still don't truly understand the pocket, or the idea behind it on the Jodah, it's just in a weird spot to me. But I haven't used the thermobooster yet, the blue baselayer has been plenty for what I've done. Below freezing or doing a long descent around freezing is where I think I'll want it on, and maybe then I'll want a place to stick the thermobooster on the way up or when the sun comes out.

I've read others don't particularly like the bottoms of the RS tights but I haven't had an issue with them so far.

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Thanks mate. Will grab a pair and see how they go.
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My feel is that the LL33RS is a little bit warmer than the Habuthights. I like the lower legs solution on the LL33RS. Cold wet spray on the shins is terrible.
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ryanw wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:53 pm
How are people finding the RS winter bib tights?

Still love my LL.habuTights_s7, but fancy something new.
I realy like the RS Winter tights. The one and only bad thing with it -for me at least- is the neoprene in the ankle. It is way too warm with booties. Only under -5 C is not sweaty... Except for that for me is perfect, comfortable, windprrof, light weight, fit well. My favourite bib short is the RS S9 and the winter RS tights just as good for the winter. I had a Mille GT Ultraz tights before but with my Spec Mirror saddle it pilled really fast. The RS Winter is more durable.
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I wear thick merino wool socks under just because of the neoprene cuffs. That allows a bit more air cushion inbetween and less sweat as well. I normally wear the Habu, then the RS winter tights when it gets colder...then the Bonka tights, in that order.
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by jadedaid

I have the full RS winter set, and can echo what the others have said. Excellent winter tights which I've never been cold in, with the coldest days here being around -5C. The neoprene on the bottom is a bit of a faff with tall Spatzwear style booties, but works great with shorter booties or oversocks - and I like the fact that you can just wash the dirt off of it. I also like the look better than all black :) . I like the tight fit and what feels like a 2-piece contruction (I am guessing the top is a windstopper shell?), it feels worth it's asking cost.

In general I'm a huge fan of the RS winter set which completely replaced my other winter kits, except for the wettest days (not because it can't take it, but if I'm being caked in mud I'm wearing something cheaper). I ride all winter and this is the first kit I've always been warm in. The jodah jacket is just a masterpiece, if you have a chance to try that, it's worth it.

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by gerryc89

Thanks everyone for the insights on bib tights.

Forgive the basic question - but would someone be able to rank the current lineup in terms of warmth? I am looking for something for the UK winter, so max ~5degrees, occasionally hitting freezing.

I was going to get the EQUIPE RS S9, but now I'm confused as to where the GTO fit in. Too much complexity for me!

*Edit* Reading/googling later

My attempt at a summary:
1. RS S9 Lowest volume, race fit and good down to seriously low temps
2. GP Ultraz - warmest, regular fit. Heavier fabrics
3. Mille GTO - "plushest" pad, low volume (but not as low as the RS S9) and equally warm as GP Ultraz.

Is that right?

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by mendiz

Anyone using thermobooster short sleeve like first layer? The only problem I think is the lack of protection in the bottom of the zipper like they use in RS spring jersey or jacket or RS jackets to protect bibs with the small piece behind of fake leather or plastic.
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pdlpsher1 wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:08 am
ico wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:25 am
Ultraz gloves? they were total game-changer for my riding in winter. They are perfectly fine down to zeo and even below. Just bought Ultraz Bib tight to complement Mille Thights, looking forward to test them in deep winter.
I don't know if you own the LL Mille or the Mille GT non-Ultraz bibs, or both. I just bought two of the new Mille GT Ultraz bibs and have done a couple rides in them to compare against the LL Mille tights. The Ultraz bib uses the same RX heavy as the LL Mille but instead used NEOS Ultra as the second outer layer as compared to the RX heavy second outer layer on the LL Mille. The NEOS Ultra is completely wind-proof (I tested it by trying blow air through it and I couldn't) whereas the double layer of the LL Mille isn't. I also weighed the two and they are both within 10g. of each other. On paper the Mille GT Ultraz should out-perform the LL Mille in terms of wind protection and thermal insulation. The Mille GT Ultraz is rated for -4 to 8 C (25 - 46F). The first ride I did had a temp. range of 23-28F. That's colder than the rated temp. range however I felt fine. It was a calm day so perhaps with more wind I would be pushing it riding at below 25F. The second ride was 32-39F. Again I felt perfectly fine at this temperature. Today it was 44-52F with lots of wind and I reached for the LL Mille, which was a bit too warm actually and I should have reached for the Mille GT non-Ultraz. One thing about the Mille GT Ultraz is that the Neos Ultra has no stretch, unlike RX heavy which is super elastic. So it felt not as comfortable as the LL Mille which has two layers of RX heavy. The Mille GT Ultraz can bunch up in the crotch area and also behind the kneecap. The bunching eventually loosened up a bit after some miles and I had forgotten about it during the latter part of the ride. But when you first put them on and for the first few miles you will feel some discomfort. The LL Mille never had this problem. So despite a slight improvement in wind protection and thermal insulation against the LL Mille, the one small drawback of the Mille GT Ultraz is the discomfort. The LL Mille and Mille GT non-Ultraz are really the gold standard in comfort. When worn you really feel like you're totally naked! Once you have had some miles on the Mille GT Ultraz please post your impressions against the Mille (whichever version you have, but in reality the LL Mille should be the one compared against in terms of thermal protection). Here's a summary of the different 'Mille' tights:

LL Mille 2 x RX Heavy (30-45F my own rating)
Mille GT non-Ultraz 1 x RX Heavy (40-55F my own rating)
Mille GT Ultraz 1 x RX Heavy and 1 x Neos Ultra (20-45F my own rating)

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I can compare Ultraz to LL Mille S7 bib tights. I agree with most of what you said temparature wise. Ultraz are defintelly warmer and suitable for windy condition around zero degrees. I wouldn't wear them in 4-5 degrees or above even when windy. You are right about bunching up in crotch area, but not so much behind the knee in my case, but despite that I don' t feel any discomfort. I notice it only when in the saddle and look down. I thought I've not enough belly or I'm not exactly a Mille type. Overall I'm happy with them. When there is temp. close to zero and lot of wind or drizzle I'll reach for Ultraz, exactly as I planned. Just "horses for courses".

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ico wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:30 am
pdlpsher1 wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:08 am
ico wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:25 am
Ultraz gloves? they were total game-changer for my riding in winter. They are perfectly fine down to zeo and even below. Just bought Ultraz Bib tight to complement Mille Thights, looking forward to test them in deep winter.
I don't know if you own the LL Mille or the Mille GT non-Ultraz bibs, or both. I just bought two of the new Mille GT Ultraz bibs and have done a couple rides in them to compare against the LL Mille tights. The Ultraz bib uses the same RX heavy as the LL Mille but instead used NEOS Ultra as the second outer layer as compared to the RX heavy second outer layer on the LL Mille. The NEOS Ultra is completely wind-proof (I tested it by trying blow air through it and I couldn't) whereas the double layer of the LL Mille isn't. I also weighed the two and they are both within 10g. of each other. On paper the Mille GT Ultraz should out-perform the LL Mille in terms of wind protection and thermal insulation. The Mille GT Ultraz is rated for -4 to 8 C (25 - 46F). The first ride I did had a temp. range of 23-28F. That's colder than the rated temp. range however I felt fine. It was a calm day so perhaps with more wind I would be pushing it riding at below 25F. The second ride was 32-39F. Again I felt perfectly fine at this temperature. Today it was 44-52F with lots of wind and I reached for the LL Mille, which was a bit too warm actually and I should have reached for the Mille GT non-Ultraz. One thing about the Mille GT Ultraz is that the Neos Ultra has no stretch, unlike RX heavy which is super elastic. So it felt not as comfortable as the LL Mille which has two layers of RX heavy. The Mille GT Ultraz can bunch up in the crotch area and also behind the kneecap. The bunching eventually loosened up a bit after some miles and I had forgotten about it during the latter part of the ride. But when you first put them on and for the first few miles you will feel some discomfort. The LL Mille never had this problem. So despite a slight improvement in wind protection and thermal insulation against the LL Mille, the one small drawback of the Mille GT Ultraz is the discomfort. The LL Mille and Mille GT non-Ultraz are really the gold standard in comfort. When worn you really feel like you're totally naked! Once you have had some miles on the Mille GT Ultraz please post your impressions against the Mille (whichever version you have, but in reality the LL Mille should be the one compared against in terms of thermal protection). Here's a summary of the different 'Mille' tights:

LL Mille 2 x RX Heavy (30-45F my own rating)
Mille GT non-Ultraz 1 x RX Heavy (40-55F my own rating)
Mille GT Ultraz 1 x RX Heavy and 1 x Neos Ultra (20-45F my own rating)

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I can compare Ultraz to LL Mille S7 bib tights. I agree with most of what you said temparature wise. Ultraz are defintelly warmer and suitable for windy condition around zero degrees. I wouldn't wear them in 4-5 degrees or above even when windy. You are right about bunching up in crotch area, but not so much behind the knee in my case, but despite that I don' t feel any discomfort. I notice it only when in the saddle and look down. I thought I've not enough belly or I'm not exactly a Mille type. Overall I'm happy with them. When there is temp. close to zero and lot of wind or drizzle I'll reach for Ultraz, exactly as I planned. Just "horses for courses".
How long have you used them? Have you experienced any pilling on the RX heavy fabric around the seat/saddle area?

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ryanw wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:53 pm
How are people finding the RS winter bib tights?

Still love my LL.habuTights_s7, but fancy something new.
Its warmer than the LL.habu
MILLE GTO WINTER BIB TIGHTS C2 not as warm as RS winter bib tights
Inbetween RS winter bib tights
Warmest...LL.bonka

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by ico

@steveadore: which one you mean? Ultraz are only a month in use, not a single sign of use so far, but Mille S7 are in their 3rd season and there are some signs of abrassion in saddle area.

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ico wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:59 pm
@steveadore: which one you mean? Ultraz are only a month in use, not a single sign of use so far, but Mille S7 are in their 3rd season and there are some signs of abrassion in saddle area.
Well, I actually meant both, since they use the same RX heavy fabric in the seating area afaik. And there were some pilling issues mentioned earlier here (as well as a few other online reviews) viewtopic.php?f=3&t=133120&p=1669657&hi ... g#p1669657

It's the only concern that has so far prevented me from buying the Mille GT Ultraz (especially as I use Selle SMP saddles, which are embroidered, though they have not destroyed any of my other bibs, including summer Assos shorts)

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How much is the warm difference between Spring LS base layer and Winter baseblayer? Yesterday I used Spring layer SS , RS Spring jacket and Alleycat sometimes between 5-7°C and perfect
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