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Matte86
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What’s your guys take on the following:
What would it be warmer:
a 3/3 base layer + the RS 2/3 LS jersey or
a 2/3 LS base layer + the jodah jacket?

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Matte86 wrote:What’s your guys take on the following:
What would it be warmer:
a 3/3 base layer + the RS 2/3 LS jersey or
a 2/3 LS base layer + the jodah jacket?
without having used any of those, I would say 2/3 + jodah by a large margin?

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Matte86 wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:54 am
What’s your guys take on the following:
What would it be warmer:
a 3/3 base layer + the RS 2/3 LS jersey or
a 2/3 LS base layer + the jodah jacket?
a 2/3 LS base layer + the jodah jacket would be warmer.

The Jodah jackat has the "chest" layer as well.

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Thanks for chime in….I asked this because when last year I went to the Assos store to see and try on the jodah, it felt different than the previous bonka.
Chatting with them they explained to me that the jodah couldn’t be considered as an evolution of the bonka. That’s because they got rid of the early winter stuff plus offering new winter garments so they were proposing a new layering system where you have 3/3 and 3/3 ultraz base layers, the jodah and the LS and SS thermobooster jersey and the alleycat.. feeling it, it became apparent that the jodah was indeed lighter than my bonka jacket.. because you need to wear it with a SS or LS thermobooster jersey underneath it to make it comparable with it..

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Is not too much thick to wear 3/3 or 3/3 ultraz base layers below the sleeves of 2/3 RS spring jacket? I say because I am afraid to damage the jacket sleeves.
And in spring fall glove you notice the padding? I do not like padded gloves
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So the Johdah is a 3/3 garment, not a 3/3 Ultraz garment. Makes perfect sense.

I’ve used the old 5/7 and 3/4 (equal weight to today’s 3/3) base layers under the RS 2/3 jacket. Should tell/warn you that my arms are a bit like Wout Poels’.
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Matte86 wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:09 am
Thanks for chime in….I asked this because when last year I went to the Assos store to see and try on the jodah, it felt different than the previous bonka.
Chatting with them they explained to me that the jodah couldn’t be considered as an evolution of the bonka. That’s because they got rid of the early winter stuff plus offering new winter garments so they were proposing a new layering system where you have 3/3 and 3/3 ultraz base layers, the jodah and the LS and SS thermobooster jersey and the alleycat.. feeling it, it became apparent that the jodah was indeed lighter than my bonka jacket.. because you need to wear it with a SS or LS thermobooster jersey underneath it to make it comparable with it..
So you're saying the heavier Bonka jacket has more heft to it than the Jodah. Less is more (money$$).
You would figure that they remove the 'thermobooster' like insides of the Bonka and in order to get to the same insulation...you need to buy the actual thermobooster?
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mendiz wrote:Is not too much thick to wear 3/3 or 3/3 ultraz base layers below the sleeves of 2/3 RS spring jacket? I say because I am afraid to damage the jacket sleeves.
And in spring fall glove you notice the padding? I do not like padded gloves
Today I wore a 3/3 base layer + 1/3 sleeveless summer layer below a 2/3 LS jersey.. not having (yet Image) the jodah, I preferred to have a warmer base layer(s) with a jersey instead of the bulk of the bonka (which also doesn’t have the double zips - so useful when climbing)
In the 2/3 gloves I do not notice the padding.. but I guess it’s very personal..

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kode54 wrote:
Matte86 wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:09 am
Thanks for chime in….I asked this because when last year I went to the Assos store to see and try on the jodah, it felt different than the previous bonka.
Chatting with them they explained to me that the jodah couldn’t be considered as an evolution of the bonka. That’s because they got rid of the early winter stuff plus offering new winter garments so they were proposing a new layering system where you have 3/3 and 3/3 ultraz base layers, the jodah and the LS and SS thermobooster jersey and the alleycat.. feeling it, it became apparent that the jodah was indeed lighter than my bonka jacket.. because you need to wear it with a SS or LS thermobooster jersey underneath it to make it comparable with it..
So you're saying the heavier Bonka jacket has more heft to it than the Jodah. Less is more (money$$).
You would figure that they remove the 'thermobooster' like insides of the Bonka and in order to get to the same insulation...you need to buy the actual thermobooster?
Well that’s what I got the 2 times I went there and tried on the jodah (second time was for fun Image)..
As once they used to give us a ballpark of temperatures in which every garments should have been used (and as the first time they gave me the aforementioned explanation)..the second time I went there, I asked them if they could compare the 2 based on the ‘old’ system.. they re-stated that the bonka was heavier fitting precisely to the 0-8C winter range, while the jodah sat higher on that scale 6-12C.. and that they tested it and confirmed it
Not sure it’s fair to compare the 2.. as they moved from a 5/6 (summer, fall, early winter, winter, springs etc.) layering system to a ‘simplified’ 3 parts system ..and they pushed more on layering compared than before
See the thermobooster pocket on the jodah
That’s why I’m tempted to buy the jodah (price has been stopping me so far in doing so), but before I’d like to understand if my reasoning works
3/3 base layer + 2/3 LS jersey vs 2/3 LS base layer + jodah

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Johdah is 3/3. simple as that. But one can expand it by using the Ultraz base layer and/or the mid layer jacket.

I’m so fond of my Hashoogi (Mille GT winter jacket, 1st version) that I don’t feel the need for the Johdah. If it’s too cold for the Hashoogi I wear my old Bonkajacket (6/7 of old, 3/3 Ultraz now).
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Matte86 wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:20 am
That’s why I’m tempted to buy the jodah (price has been stopping me so far in doing so), but before I’d like to understand if my reasoning works
3/3 base layer + 2/3 LS jersey vs 2/3 LS base layer + jodah
2/3 LS jersey vs 2/3 LS base layer = thermobooster?
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kode54 wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:20 pm
Matte86 wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:20 am
That’s why I’m tempted to buy the jodah (price has been stopping me so far in doing so), but before I’d like to understand if my reasoning works
3/3 base layer + 2/3 LS jersey vs 2/3 LS base layer + jodah
2/3 LS jersey vs 2/3 LS base layer = thermobooster?
I have the thermobooster, I think it's heavier/thicker than any base layer. It's almost like a soft shell jacket/jersey.

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It takes several rides and the more you ride in sub zero weather, you get a sense of how to dress. Having said that, I still get it wrong to some degree. I'd rather be warmer and remove layers along the way and trying to stay warm while starting out on the chillier side.

Is the thermobooster like the spring/fall RS gilet? Which feels like a thin neoprene material that is soft and flexible? I tried one on when they first came out with the balacava version attached and the waist was short and rose above my navel...almost like it shrunk (when new). That's why I never got one because of the fit. I wear a Small, according to Assos, but the thermobooster I tried on was a M...and it was still short!
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I don't have the spring/fall RS gilet. But you are right, the thermobooster feels like a thin neoprene soft/flexible (not water/wind resistant).

Yes I noticed that too with the lower part being short (shrunk feeling). I assume that is for the "aggressive" riding position???

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kookie wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:11 pm
I don't have the spring/fall RS gilet. But you are right, the thermobooster feels like a thin neoprene soft/flexible (not water/wind resistant).

Yes I noticed that too with the lower part being short (shrunk feeling). I assume that is for the "aggressive" riding position???
LOL...aggressive riding position. I think my stomach isn't flat enough.

On another note, its been way below 30F these days and not much availability of Assos tights that are affordable. So I decided to get a Mille Thermo Rain Shell to add another layer. Wore it this morning over older Assos Habu tights. Worked very well but on my first ride...I noticed some abrasion on the inside rear where it contacts stitching on the Habu. Sent a few pictures to Assos...waiting to hear what they think about this. I want to nip this in the bud since their warranty period is really short.
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