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kode54 wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:49 pm
Even their winter glove is really a spring fall glove. Assos was never really good with gloves in terms of warmth.
I agree. Spring/fall gloves are more kind of glove to wear in transition period. When you kind of can ride without glove, but feel more comfortable with gloves. Or in spring/autumn evenings, when you know that during ride will get colder.
Can not coment on winter glove as I don't own one. But I definitely was disappointed by warmth of winter ultraz glove. Can not ride in them in negative 2.. 3 Celsius temperature for more than 1...1.5 hour. They are OK in +5...0 celsius temperature on long winter rides (3...4h), but that is not what I was expecting from Ultraz and at that price. Unlike mille gt ultraz winter jacket which is really warm and I would buy it again even at full retail price.
Winter ultraz socks are not that warm either. And sizing was somewhat different- larger than other assos socks I own.

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mendiz wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:28 pm
Why useless the liner gloves? I saw another user that he liked, he used in his own, I thought to use in that way for 5-10°C.
Rudis wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:41 pm
mendiz wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:20 am
And in spring fall glove you notice the padding? I do not like padded gloves
I do not notice padding. I like those gloves a lot. Unlike Assos liner gloves which i find quite useless.
Everyone is different, but I can not imagine myself using liner glove alone in 10...5 Celsius range. Those are thin gloves. I have bought them as liner to use with winter ultraz glove. I have tried to use them as liner glove but it did not help warmth wise. I think in Ultraz glove there just is not enough space for liner to work together properly.
As for using liner glove alone- for the transition period (no glove- go glove) in my opinion much better option is spring/autumn glove.

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Ultraz gloves? they were total game-changer for my riding in winter. They are perfectly fine down to zeo and even below. Just bought Ultraz Bib tight to complement Mille Thights, looking forward to test them in deep winter.

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ico wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:25 am
Ultraz gloves? they were total game-changer for my riding in winter. They are perfectly fine down to zeo and even below. Just bought Ultraz Bib tight to complement Mille Thights, looking forward to test them in deep winter.
Yes you can ride in them down to zero. As I mentioned before. But not below zero. I definitely can not ride in them longer than 1.5 hours in 2...5 degree below zero. Is that Ultraz range? Was expecting more for 110 euro glove with ultraz name on it. In winter I want do long easy rides. They just don't do for me for what I bought them. I am sure they work fine for some. Not for me. Ultraz jacket works great, tights works great. Ultraz gloves doesn't.
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Can someone who owns both- RSR and RS S9 shorts report on leg lenght on bike position? In same size- are leg length equal on both? Or rsr has different lenght while in riding position due to more compression? Want to try out RSR, but leg length on RS S9 I currently own feels a little short. 20 mm more would not hurt.

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ico wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:25 am
Ultraz gloves? they were total game-changer for my riding in winter. They are perfectly fine down to zeo and even below. Just bought Ultraz Bib tight to complement Mille Thights, looking forward to test them in deep winter.
I don't know if you own the LL Mille or the Mille GT non-Ultraz bibs, or both. I just bought two of the new Mille GT Ultraz bibs and have done a couple rides in them to compare against the LL Mille tights. The Ultraz bib uses the same RX heavy as the LL Mille but instead used NEOS Ultra as the second outer layer as compared to the RX heavy second outer layer on the LL Mille. The NEOS Ultra is completely wind-proof (I tested it by trying blow air through it and I couldn't) whereas the double layer of the LL Mille isn't. I also weighed the two and they are both within 10g. of each other. On paper the Mille GT Ultraz should out-perform the LL Mille in terms of wind protection and thermal insulation. The Mille GT Ultraz is rated for -4 to 8 C (25 - 46F). The first ride I did had a temp. range of 23-28F. That's colder than the rated temp. range however I felt fine. It was a calm day so perhaps with more wind I would be pushing it riding at below 25F. The second ride was 32-39F. Again I felt perfectly fine at this temperature. Today it was 44-52F with lots of wind and I reached for the LL Mille, which was a bit too warm actually and I should have reached for the Mille GT non-Ultraz. One thing about the Mille GT Ultraz is that the Neos Ultra has no stretch, unlike RX heavy which is super elastic. So it felt not as comfortable as the LL Mille which has two layers of RX heavy. The Mille GT Ultraz can bunch up in the crotch area and also behind the kneecap. The bunching eventually loosened up a bit after some miles and I had forgotten about it during the latter part of the ride. But when you first put them on and for the first few miles you will feel some discomfort. The LL Mille never had this problem. So despite a slight improvement in wind protection and thermal insulation against the LL Mille, the one small drawback of the Mille GT Ultraz is the discomfort. The LL Mille and Mille GT non-Ultraz are really the gold standard in comfort. When worn you really feel like you're totally naked! Once you have had some miles on the Mille GT Ultraz please post your impressions against the Mille (whichever version you have, but in reality the LL Mille should be the one compared against in terms of thermal protection). Here's a summary of the different 'Mille' tights:

LL Mille 2 x RX Heavy (30-45F my own rating)
Mille GT non-Ultraz 1 x RX Heavy (40-55F my own rating)
Mille GT Ultraz 1 x RX Heavy and 1 x Neos Ultra (20-45F my own rating)

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Rudis wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:49 am
ico wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:25 am
Ultraz gloves? they were total game-changer for my riding in winter. They are perfectly fine down to zeo and even below. Just bought Ultraz Bib tight to complement Mille Thights, looking forward to test them in deep winter.
Yes you can ride in them down to zero. As I mentioned before. But not below zero. I definitely can not ride in them longer than 1.5 hours in 2...5 degree below zero. Is that Ultraz range? Was expecting more for 110 euro glove with ultraz name on it. In winter I want do long easy rides. They just don't do for me for what I bought them. I am sure they work fine for some. Not for me. Ultraz jacket works great, tights works great. Ultraz gloves doesn't.
Do they fit tight? As far as I know, fingertips should't touch the inner of gloves, otherwise your fingers get cold... And I ride in max cca -2, but never in -5 to make that clear :)

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ico wrote:
Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:43 am
Rudis wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:49 am
ico wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:25 am
Ultraz gloves? they were total game-changer for my riding in winter. They are perfectly fine down to zeo and even below. Just bought Ultraz Bib tight to complement Mille Thights, looking forward to test them in deep winter.
Yes you can ride in them down to zero. As I mentioned before. But not below zero. I definitely can not ride in them longer than 1.5 hours in 2...5 degree below zero. Is that Ultraz range? Was expecting more for 110 euro glove with ultraz name on it. In winter I want do long easy rides. They just don't do for me for what I bought them. I am sure they work fine for some. Not for me. Ultraz jacket works great, tights works great. Ultraz gloves doesn't.
Do they fit tight? As far as I know, fingertips should't touch the inner of gloves, otherwise your fingers get cold... And I ride in max cca -2, but never in -5 to make that clear :)
They fit just right for me. Assos glove sizing in general works for me. There is just a bit room left at end of fingertips. The way it should be ( at least for winter glove). But there is no room for inner glove. Then they are too tight which does not make hands warmer at all. And I have relatively long, but skinny fingers. They are nice winter gloves to use without inner glove to certain temperature. Just not warm enough for me and are too expensive for what they deliver in my opinion.

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Rudis wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:02 pm
Can someone who owns both- RSR and RS S9 shorts report on leg lenght on bike position? In same size- are leg length equal on both? Or rsr has different lenght while in riding position due to more compression? Want to try out RSR, but leg length on RS S9 I currently own feels a little short. 20 mm more would not hurt.
On bike position of RSR is even shorter than RS, for me at least. I did a 7day cycling trip with 1 RSR and 2 RS S9 bibs and could definitely tell by the tan lines that RSR was shorter, a nice 5mm of bare white skin suddenly appeared when putting the RSR after some days in the RS :)
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The «upgrade» you get with the RSR over the RS is a different fabric with more compression and less stretch. The bibs are for that reason secured to the top of the back of the shorts, not down at the lower panel. So from the back you don’t see the bibs.
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I have both the Fall and Winter gloves, and really like both. The Fall glove is not warm, and I can wear it until about 15C before it becomes too sweaty. The winter glove is my favorite and ridden until -5C or so.

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Spring fall glove is 5-15°C?
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jadedaid wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:34 pm
I have both the Fall and Winter gloves, and really like both. The Fall glove is not warm, and I can wear it until about 15C before it becomes too sweaty. The winter glove is my favorite and ridden until -5C or so.
Your hands must not get that cold. Even with hard effort and climbing... -5C = about 23F...I need lobster or mittens to keep my digits warm (which I wear from -5C to 3C).
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mendiz wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:47 pm
Spring fall glove is 5-15°C?
Spring glove for me is good for 5-10C. I don't wear gloves past 10C (50F).
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