Assos apparel questions

[Calnago]

For a similar fit (compression wise) I have to size down in the Mille / Cento from the Equipe EVO. This would mean a medium for me for the Mille / Cento, which is the same size I take in the Equipe RS.

But that’s defeating the whole purpose of the different “fits”. The Mille fit is intended to be more of a “comfort” long mileage kind of fit whereas the the other is a more compressive type of fit. So you pick the type of fit you’re looking for and go for it. But if you’re an XL in one, you “should” be an XL in the other. If you always want a very compressive fit, then get the right size in that fit. For example, I had the Campionissimo and the Mille in the same size. They’re both “comfy” by the way, but one is just a little more performance oriented. The Campionissimo were a very compressive fit, but they were still the same length etc as the Mille, which were just a more relaxed fit (not in the sense of relaxed fit jeans, just not as compressive). Sizing down from the comfy fit Mille to replicate the compressive feel is simply getting a size too small in the Mille. Unless you really want even shorter shorts.

[benzebub]

For a similar fit (compression wise) I have to size down in the Mille / Cento from the Equipe EVO. This would mean a medium for me for the Mille / Cento, which is the same size I take in the Equipe RS.

So mille and cento are comparable in fit?

[guyc]

You’re right there Cal.

I had the original Equipes and didn’t do my homework when I got the Mille (just because of cost). I found the fit didn’t work for me at all and went to the Evo.

From a single ride today the RS S9’s are Equipe level in terms of fit/compression.

[Calnago]

Still the most confusing cycling apparel to buy in terms of product nomenclature and sizing. But I’m sure I’ll end up with some of the R9’s soon enough. In fact, maybe they’re making mine right now... I need an orange.
[edit]: I guess I meant to say “RS S9’s”.

[KotP]

This is a feature!

Another for the S9

We will let the other brands produce slimming pants!

Ha, Rapha are now working away on producing a girdle for 2020, I mean it's the next logical step right?

[GaBa]

I would agree on going with the same size for all bib models. Some just come a bit loose (Mille) while others (Equipe, Campionissino) are tighter but I guess they are meant to be that way. I go with M for all of them.

[RTW]

For a similar fit (compression wise) I have to size down in the Mille / Cento from the Equipe EVO. This would mean a medium for me for the Mille / Cento, which is the same size I take in the Equipe RS.

But that’s defeating the whole purpose of the different “fits”. The Mille fit is intended to be more of a “comfort” long mileage kind of fit whereas the the other is a more compressive type of fit. So you pick the type of fit you’re looking for and go for it. But if you’re an XL in one, you “should” be an XL in the other. If you always want a very compressive fit, then get the right size in that fit. For example, I had the Campionissimo and the Mille in the same size. They’re both “comfy” by the way, but one is just a little more performance oriented. The Campionissimo were a very compressive fit, but they were still the same length etc as the Mille, which were just a more relaxed fit (not in the sense of relaxed fit jeans, just not as compressive). Sizing down from the comfy fit Mille to replicate the compressive feel is simply getting a size too small in the Mille. Unless you really want even shorter shorts.

You are right, which is why I wrote compression wise.

[Kjetil]

Right now I think I’ll buy a RSR since I prefer the compression of the Campionissimo to that of the Équipe_S7 and the pad of the latter to the former. That Kuku penthouse was really not for me.

[kode54]

For a similar fit (compression wise) I have to size down in the Mille / Cento from the Equipe EVO. This would mean a medium for me for the Mille / Cento, which is the same size I take in the Equipe RS.

But that’s defeating the whole purpose of the different “fits”. The Mille fit is intended to be more of a “comfort” long mileage kind of fit whereas the the other is a more compressive type of fit. So you pick the type of fit you’re looking for and go for it. But if you’re an XL in one, you “should” be an XL in the other. If you always want a very compressive fit, then get the right size in that fit. For example, I had the Campionissimo and the Mille in the same size. They’re both “comfy” by the way, but one is just a little more performance oriented. The Campionissimo were a very compressive fit, but they were still the same length etc as the Mille, which were just a more relaxed fit (not in the sense of relaxed fit jeans, just not as compressive). Sizing down from the comfy fit Mille to replicate the compressive feel is simply getting a size too small in the Mille. Unless you really want even shorter shorts.

This is true. I didn't even know the difference at the time about a more relaxed Cento than a Campionissimo. So I originally bought M for both. I had to size down in the Cento to a S but it became a shorter short. Tossing out the Cento line as they become worn and replace with RSR S9 in M. I'm hoping that they are similar to the Campionissimo in leg length and compression.

[Calnago]

For a similar fit (compression wise) I have to size down in the Mille / Cento from the Equipe EVO. This would mean a medium for me for the Mille / Cento, which is the same size I take in the Equipe RS.

But that’s defeating the whole purpose of the different “fits”. The Mille fit is intended to be more of a “comfort” long mileage kind of fit whereas the the other is a more compressive type of fit. So you pick the type of fit you’re looking for and go for it. But if you’re an XL in one, you “should” be an XL in the other. If you always want a very compressive fit, then get the right size in that fit. For example, I had the Campionissimo and the Mille in the same size. They’re both “comfy” by the way, but one is just a little more performance oriented. The Campionissimo were a very compressive fit, but they were still the same length etc as the Mille, which were just a more relaxed fit (not in the sense of relaxed fit jeans, just not as compressive). Sizing down from the comfy fit Mille to replicate the compressive feel is simply getting a size too small in the Mille. Unless you really want even shorter shorts.

You are right, which is why I wrote compression wise.

So, you’re of the mind that you like the compression fit but for whatever reason you don’t want to buy the compression fit model in your size but Instead get the more relaxed fit in the next size down which, because it’s simply a smaller size has a similar compression fit to the compression shorts in the proper size for you. Hmmm... I guess that can work...

And bonus... your daughter can wear them too.

Look, I get it, and Assos stuff when you figure out the differences in both cut and sizing and manage to find what works for you is really great. But they still have a long way to go to simplify things for the consumer. Even the larger sizes are confusing as everything is fine until you get to XL, then it becomes XLG (instead of just XXL) and then it goes TIR (XLG except for bigger boys that hit the gym or eat more than they should). This is kind of a fun thread that there can be so much discussion on the various different ways the stuff is named and how it fits. The product is good, when you finally get it all sorted out. But it’s easier to figure out what Bottom Bracket cups you need for some weird frame these days, and that’s saying something.

[kode54]

LOL.

Yeah, and the cost to get to that point...even after 2 generations, I finally get it. Then the S9 comes out...so I'm a little reluctant to shell out for the RSR due to the fact that I finally got the sizing down.

[Calnago]

RSR? I thought it was RS S9? Or are those different again? I’ll figure it out but it shouldn’t be so hard.

[Kjetil]

Oh, It's simple:

The Équipe RS S9 is the successor to the Équipe S7. Has straps all the way down and comes in two colours, red and black.
The Équipe RSR S9 is the successor to the Campionissimo S7. No visible straps below the back of the your jersey. Comes only in black on black. But in my opinion they should have found a smarter name for it. Just adding an R is more like camouflage.

Not so simple: Variants on the Colnago C50 and C59 base types. My eyes glaze over.

[Calnago]

Thanks , what does RS stand for? Or RSR? Why couldn’t the successor to the S7 simply just be, well... the S9? I always like to know what abbreviations spell out like in real words. Helps me remember.
Now, if you want to know the differences in Colnagos, pm me... if you dare . But the model naming at least is pretty straightforward. At least with numbers I can figure out that the 5 was before the 7 which was before the 9 and so on.

[Kjetil]

Series or generations have been nothing, S2 (orange inserts), S5 (turqiose insert), S7 (amethyst insert) and now S9 (grey insert)

They confusingly throw the names around on each shorts generation change, and for tops they throw them about to, and then they suddenly use an established mname as an umbrella for ar group of garments. I could try to make a flowchart, but my brain would probably explode and if it didn't yours would.

Here's a shorts story:
Campionissimo (and S2)
13_S5
Campionissimo_S7
Équipe RSR S9

For old times sake, before someone in Assos HQ found out that women's clothing are best marketed to women and not to their men. Here's The Girl Herself: