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Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
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- Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:02 pm
I'm going over my race bike and looking for places to strategically drop some grams. Some of my choices will be driven by the cost/gram saved ratio, and I'm curious if others here have a general threshold they use for making these determinations. I know this is probably widely varying with peoples' financial means and degree of WW insanity, but an interesting exercise anyway.
Seven 622 SLX
Colnago C50 Extreme Power
- Posts: 357
- Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:46 pm
- Location: Amsterdam
My threshold is 1 euro/1 gram saved, so if I could buy a new handlebar that would save me 50 gram I would pay 50 euro for it maximum.
It took a while, but now at 6,4 kg, it is hard to lighten my bike by using this rule...
- in the industry
- Posts: 1800
- Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:14 am
- Location: SYD
You don't get well into the 5kg bracket with a $1 or 1€/gram. Heading sub 5 takes even more monies.. The grams a bike has become more costly the lighter you go.
My bike owes me around $2.05 per gram
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- Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:30 pm
It is a sliding scale depending on a number of factors:
What is the magnitude of the saving ? I sometimes won't pay anything extra to save 10 grams, but if I can save 100 grams on a crank set, I might spend an extra $4/gram!
Do I really need to new component anyway, or is it a change solely to save weight ?
Is there really a perceived difference in quality or reliability on the heavier or lighter part ?
Is it a part that I can order, receive, and install without my wife noticing I spent more money on cycling ?
- in the industry
- Posts: 855
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:59 pm
- Location: Ruidoso, NM
It's a great exercise to do, especially when putting together a bike from scratch. My bike weighs ~7kg, and I'd generally spend $1/g and maybe $2/g if there is no loss of durability or function. So not a real WW at all.
That's a big consideration... most light parts cost more than just money.
For instance... I added 250g with heavier wheels, but I'm pretty sure the aero benefit is worth it most of the time. Stiffer and more durable also. Still using old Chorus calipers that weigh a ton, but I don't want light ones for those long switchback descents. I just got a saddle that is 40g heavier than my old one. Using 80g latex tubes because the 50g ones are too fragile. Don't want to deal with tubulars... etc.
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- Joined: Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:09 pm
- Location: Seattle, WA | Gjøvik, Norway
I have been staying surprisingly within the $1/gram range for wheels, brakes, skewers, seat, pedal axles, stem, except my new Scott frame which cost me $2/gram, and new SRAM Red Shifters, and derailleurs. Well worth it. All purchased new from eBay (except SRAM parts on closeout+additional 25% 41 anniversary discount from nashbar).
In total, I think my whole new Scott Addict R1 SRAM Red build compared to my 2004 Specialized came in at 1.7 $ / gram saved (1500grams lighter at 6.7kg)
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- Joined: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:56 pm
I think there's more too it than a simple cost/gram ratio. You have to also factor in comparable components and quality. For example, the Extralite RoadStem OC stem is probably the lightest stem you can get before going into the AX Lightness/Mcfk territory, so the extra cost might be worth it.
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- Joined: Sun May 16, 2010 7:28 pm
There was a thread where we discussed it more analytically. $/g is completely relative to the current weight of your bike. 5g off a 5kg bike is way more expensive than 5g off a 10kg bike. It needs to be a $ x g function that you're trying to minimize or maybe $/g/current bike weight to normalize as a percentage loss.
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- Joined: Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:52 am
3X as much around the rim and Tyre, 2X as much on the wheel and pedals as on the frame.
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- Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:32 pm
- Location: san francisco ca. usa
My threshold varies but I like a very light bike but I don't like to spend a lot of money. I always try to find ways to get the lightest, best quality, for the least amount of money. I will barter and swap, but used parts, buy good quality parts that are reasonably light and then modify them, and other creative ways to get the lightest. That is how I can have a 3,400 gram bike for less than $20,000.
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- Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:32 pm
- Location: belgium
kulivontot wrote:There was a thread where we discussed it more analytically. $/g is completely relative to the current weight of your bike. 5g off a 5kg bike is way more expensive than 5g off a 10kg bike.
This! All gains relative with your current weight as a default are erhm. relative.
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- Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:47 pm
- Location: Boganville, Australia
In HiFi world this is the law of diminishing returns. With my limited knowledge of weight weening (that has already cost me a lot), it appears to be no different. The cost/gram so far for me has depended on the part.
MAMIL? Never. O.F.I.L. yeh! (Old F**ker in Lycra)
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- Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:04 am
Interesting stuff. Just did a couple of quick calculations and my Colnago M10 works out around £1.11/g whereas my Simplon Pavo is only £0.68/g. So the Colnago name, and similar high end marques, weighs nothing but most certainly adheres to the law of diminishing returns. Worth it? You have to wonder....
- Shop Owner
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- Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:58 am
You mean there is a threshold? Oh dear.
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- Joined: Mon May 06, 2013 6:25 pm
I'm ridding a heavy pinarello, so don't even wanna know