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Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:00 pm
by Slagter
I´m considering an upgrade to carbonframe from my steelframe for more performance.

What would you recommend with horizontal toptube? I´m an oldschool steelframelover. So sloping frames is just not my style.

I´ve been looking at a De Rosa Superking 888, which I like very much. The Chipollini RB1000 is very nice too, but too expensive. The Colnago C59 is also an option, but ive heard, that they are´nt very stiff.

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:28 pm
by lannes

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:32 pm
by Slagter
Thanks lannes. But the TT is not nearly horizontal enough for me ;-)

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:41 pm
by Harmitc
Colnago C59 not stiff enough? Your coming from a steel frame? Are you a pro?

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 3:31 pm
by Slagter
Harmitc wrote:Colnago C59 not stiff enough? Your coming from a steel frame? Are you a pro?


I´m very competitive - but no pro. There are a lot of very stiff steelframes out there though. But stiffness in steelframes is not the issue here. This thread is about carbonframes.

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 4:39 pm
by MarkTwain
Slagter wrote: But stiffness in steelframes is not the issue here. This thread is about carbonframes.

He was asking so he could develop an idea of what you've ridden before - to form some sort of comparison for you.

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 4:42 pm
by Ahillock
Find a NOS/used Look 595 Ultra? Should be plenty stiff.

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 5:53 pm
by Harmitc
Ok, so where do you ride? What weight are you, how tall are you, are you doing? Alot of climbing, is the terrain fairly flat? All these questions effect what frame suits? When you say stiffness are you talking about just the bottom bracket? Do you ride reasonable distances? So a degree of comfort is importance, a C59 was/is used by pro's and is not only a comfortable frame but is stiff to. An RB1000 is very stiff, maybe somewhat harsh? So obviously depends what your using it for?

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 10:31 pm
by Slagter
so where do you ride?
- Denmark, very flat.

What weight are you
- 82 kg/180 lbs

, how tall are you, are you doing?
- 186cm/6´1

A lot of climbing, is the terrain fairly flat?
- Flat, no climbing

All these questions effect what frame suits?
When you say stiffness are you talking about just the bottom bracket?
- BB and headtube, I don´t care much about how comfortable it is (as long it´s not a alloy frame)

Do you ride reasonable distances?
- I would say yes, races are around 100-120 km (62-74 miles), training 60-150 km (37-93 miles)
- 300-450 km a week (186-279 miles)

So a degree of comfort is importance, a C59 was/is used by pro's and is not only a comfortable frame but is stiff to. An RB1000 is very stiff, maybe somewhat harsh? So obviously depends what your using it for?

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:23 pm
by Nicos
Giant propel? It's pretty horizontal I think, I like its toptube, looks fast

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Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:12 pm
by Slagter
Thanks Nicos. The Giant Propel is not a bad suggestion....

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:23 pm
by arthurf
How about the Cipollini RB800? I have one and it's much more comfortable and lighter than the RB1000 and cheaper. Did 110 miles on it Saturday and still felt good afterwards, plus they're quite exclusive.

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:36 pm
by Beancouter
Sorry, being a bit cheeky and pressed send! Seriously though, the Z2 has a flat top tube.

Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 10:50 pm
by Getter
BMC TMR01...almost look like it has a reverse slope.

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Re: Which carbon frame with horizontal toptube?

Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 9:40 pm
by Slagter
Best suggestion so far, thanks ^