The big difference between the mechanical and electric offerings, in my opinion, is it's unswerving perfection when you are not. When you are freezing cold, when you are dead tired, when you are right on the limit and need to make a shift the most clumsy poke or slap at the lever will be instantly transformed into another flawless shift. Need to dump the whole cassette at the top of a climb to latch-on to a fast-moving break? No problem. Double shift required? Simple. Need to go from the bottom of the whole range to the top under power and pressure? Easy. Every time.
Are there 'costs'? You bet. As I say, I ran a Campagnolo battery to zero last weekend (entirely due to my own stupidity, admittedly). That cannot happen with Di2 (not because the battery never goes dead, even though it seems to last forever, but because you can change it). Still, I think that if you try it, you'll love it.
When you are freezing cold, when you are dead tired, when you are right on the limit and need to make a shift the most clumsy poke or slap at the lever will be instantly transformed into another flawless shift
That only happens to x-crossers.
It only happens to pro riders every other odd twenty years or so provided they actually appear at the start line that is......O.K. I said enough already... I'm ducking
Again, having both systems, electric is just a perfect shift every time, in every circumstance. Of course, maybe not all circumstances, but everything I have run into. Campy says even underwater, but the extra drag and lack of oxygen will prevent me from proving that.
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It has lead me to the following personal conclusions:
My use of non-circular chain rings has biased my opinion on front shifting; I like to be able to trim.
I realized EPS rear shifting is better but the cost vs. reward is currently too high.
I am amazed that nobody has commented on Campy mechanical vs Di2. This thread has truly been for Campy lovers.
Now if you were to ask me which is my favorite, frankly it's going to be difficult choice. One thing I dare say is that Campagnolo mechanical groupset is still relevant even with the advent of EPS, consistent, effortless shifts and such. Yes, the EPS front shifting is definitely a class above mechanical. But the mechanical shifts are so "Campy" and at certain times you do kinda miss that feeling
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Make that negative a few a few more more years.Butcher wrote:The least amount of effort would be mind control, but we will wait a few more years when that happens.
Think shift anyone?
@maggierose, manual trimming is so pre-EPS/Di2! With non-round rings, the electric groups really shine. The stepper motor hauls that chain across like nothing else. Trimming? The electric groups self-trim, so there is no problem. You can set-up for 'Q'-Rings very easily, O-Symetric take a bit of doing, but they are still no issue (I have only tried O-Symetric on Shimano Di2, not EPS).
I have been caught-out by SpringSummer snow squalls more often than I can count (and hail storms, too). Believe me, frozen hands ain't just for 'cross out here.
Geoff, it's just that when I read all this I can't help but thinking you guys do not need EPS on the bikes. You need central heating....
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