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Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:59 am
by ichobi
Out of curiosity and a bit off topic, as I am thinking buying new groups, how would you compare DA9000 / UG6800 vs Chorus or Record 11 in terms of shifting performance and overall feel?? DA seems to have better tech and niceties like coated cable and all that jazz.

Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:59 am
by Weenie

Re: Shimano 6800 vs 9000?

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:23 am
by Tinea Pedis
Without this turning the other thread in to a 'Campag vs Shimano' debate (which is why I split the topic), the difference will still come down to your personal preference. Ie: do you like thumb shifters, hood shape, brake modulation/power, are your other bikes Campag or Shimano, etc

9000 is the smoothest road grouppo I've ridden - and I have Campag on all my personal bikes. That said, my team is breaking a lot of RD cables due to the new lining. So 9000 is not, presently, without some drawbacks.

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:04 am
by coolmingli
Shimano rear shifting is much smoother than the Campy, less noisy too, Campy is a bit faster, the problem is in the front, Shimano requires 2 trim, the lower trim really bothers me, no trim is needed for Campy.

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:15 am
by Tinea Pedis
No trim needed for 9000...

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:49 am
by Causidicus
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Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:15 am
by coolmingli
Tinea Pedis wrote:No trim needed for 9000...

I was talking about Ultegra 11 speed.

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:19 am
by Tinea Pedis
I never noticed any need for that on the 6800 bikes I rode either.

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:43 am
by coolmingli
Tinea Pedis wrote:I never noticed any need for that on the 6800 bikes I rode either.


The FD low adjustment (chain is 0.5mm away from the inner cage of the FD), This is also the low trim position.

you will land on another index ( low position) when you shift from the bigger chainring to the smaller chainring, at this position, the rear 3 big cogs will rub the chain, you need to click again go to the low trim position to avoid the rub.

there are total of 4 indexes low trim-low -top trim-top.

the reason you never noticed the rub is probably the skid plate, the skid plate will make the rub silent, but the rub is there.

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:47 am
by coolmingli
Anyone who has setup the Shimano 11 speed FD would know what I am talking about, need to put lot of tension on the derailleur cable.

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:53 am
by ichobi
Interesting discussion and thanks for splitting the thread TP. I am brand agnostic mostly when it comes to road bike equipments. I run Shimano 105 10 Speed on a Ridley Fenix bike and pretty much like the aesthetic of both DA9000 and Chorus. Slightly prefer Thumb shifters. I asked about DA9000 performance specifically because many people said it shifts a lot better than Red (though haven't read much vs Campy 11). Having said that I have no problem with my 105 which shifts almost always perfectly.

Guess I will go with Campy after all.

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:14 pm
by bikerjulio
With shifters Chorus is identical to Record, and almost so in every other part too. Chorus is by far the best value in Campy 11 spd.

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:22 am
by ultyguy
To be really annoying and cnut the thread up a bit...

It seems to me that a 9000 chainset would work ok with 11 speed Campag set up right?

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:30 am
by Tinea Pedis
Totally fine (have done it).

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:45 am
by ultyguy
And risked scorn from the world of bike fashion? Brave man.

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Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:45 am
by Weenie

Re: Mecahncial 11sp Shimano vs 11sp Campag

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:31 am
by Tinea Pedis
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