DuraAce 9000 10 speed wheel compatibility

[policedutchdog]

I was able to check out the new group prior to interbike and then again at inerbike. It's nice and much improved over the 7900. The throw on the shifters is a bit shorter but some of it is perception as they placed the blades farther outboard so the throw seems shorter than it really is. Front derailleur is one of the best features. With the crank being only in 110bcd, changing combinations would be easy.

The only huge downside is wheel compatibility. Shimano said they are not going to make 11-speed freebody kits for their existing wheels so I would need to purchased all new wheels. Looks like there is a Sram Red grouppo in my near future for next year.

Scott

[bruno2000]

Which are the brands that have wheel sin their range for the shimano 11spd?
Mavic wheels with the shimano m10 body are already compatible.
At FFWD they offer a new 11spd shimano body.

[Kayrehn]

madfiber too

[Zen Cyclery]

You could build up a new set of wheels with the White Industries T11 hubs. They are 10 or 11 speed compatible, and they have decently wide flange spacing.

[jdp211]

Dt Swiss and Chris king will be da11 compatible

[WMW]

You could build up a new set of wheels with the White Industries T11 hubs. They are 10 or 11 speed compatible, and they have decently wide flange spacing.

It has very little DS offset... 15.5mm, with 38.5 NDS. IMO, that is far from ideal.

[bm0p700f]

I think the DT 240 11 speed hubs have spaing L(33.0mm) and R(16.0mm). All shimano 11 speed wheels will be heavily dished and will require stiff rims. Carbon rims make sense for this drive train.

Campag 11 speed is a bit more sensible for once.

[bruno2000]

I've heard from a Campagnolo guy that the Campagnolo (and Fulcrum) will have and 11spd compatible body to use on the normal wheels.
Also Corima will have an 11spd shimano body for all their wheels by the begiining of march.

[keith]

I have a pair of these wheels and am trying to figure out if they will run with the DA 9000 11 speed cassette. I've discussed the issue with a supplier in the UK - they say a freehub update to 11 speed will work - but they don't recommend using the biggest sprocket as the chain gets a bit too close to the spokes! I was told all current LW wheels, bought now, will work fine with DA 11 speed without any issue.

Does anyone here know any different? I'm tempted to maybe swap the freehub and see how it works. If it doesn't I'll have to sell the wheels and get some new ones :-!

[Tinea Pedis]

Going to make this the wheel compatibility thread, given that is a lot of what this boils down to.

[Sam]

Just measured a 9000 cassette, the total height of the cassette is 39,6mm

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But the difference between Campagnolo 11-speed (3,85mm) and Shimano 11-speed is just 0,05mm per gear, so that should work ok.

So Campagnolo 11 speed wheels and cassette should in theory work with the rest of the Shimano 11-speed groupset? Wicked, if so.

[Ufgators]

a bit off topic but will dura ace 9000 cassettes work with campy 11 speed?

[mikep77]

The only huge downside is wheel compatibility. Shimano said they are not going to make 11-speed freebody kits for their existing wheels so I would need to purchased all new wheels. Looks like there is a Sram Red grouppo in my near future for next year.

Scott

Yup, and this is why after 20 years of riding nothing but shimano I refuse to buy anything of theirs again.

I have an entire new Sram Red group sitting here waiting to go on a new frame. (Also ordering Look keo blades to replace my worn D-A 7800 pedals.)

I honestly wish everyone would just boycott the new 9000. Maybe our collective voices would motivate them to either go back to 10sp or make 11sp compatible on old hubs.

I understand and accept progress, but adding an (unnecessary imo) 11th cog is not progress when you have to replace/rebuild every wheelset you use.

[FuelForThought]

It (WI T11) has very little DS offset... 15.5mm, with 38.5 NDS. IMO, that is far from ideal.

Are these the values you measured? Their website claims 16DS/38NDS offset. Just curious.

Regardless of the exact value, what would be the best lacing pattern for a 24 hole T11 mated to a HED C2?

Would you go for a 1xDS head-in/2xNDS?

[WMW]

Yes, that is what I measured... but I don't have a real accurate rig. Someone else measured a 16mm DS offset... so it is somewhere in there.

If you never wish to use 11spd, then 1x,2x is probably best. 11 spd might still work anyway. WI flanges have a good record for durability, so can probably take the stress ok. 2x DS, radial heads-out NDS will also work. Using lighter NDS spokes can also help (currently building one with Pillar Mega Lites on the NDS).