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Carbon seatpost flex (Seatpost sadlle mounting)

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:49 am
by Burgunder
Greetings from Denmark(this is my first post here)

I'm about to do a 375 km run in 4 weeks and I think I could need a little more comfort on my bike so I started looking at a carbon seatpost which will hopefully be more comfortable and if not at least a lot lighter than the standard EA30 seatpost that my bike has now. After some search I think I will try one of the Hylix seatposts but you can choose to different types of saddle mountings this and this is there ane reason to pick one or the other from a user point of view with regard to adjustability and durability or should I just go for the lightest one.

I hope this is not too trivial, but I'm rather new to cycling.

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:45 pm
by Burgunder
I'm open to other suggestions as well. After a windy solo ride of 105 kms today in 10$ shorts my buttom tells me that it will need some more cushion. (I have bought some new shorts, but they didn't dry before the trip, so I had to use the old ones)

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:33 am
by eric
A carbon post won't add any cushion. It won't even damp noticeably more vibration in my experience.

The best you can do is to use a smaller diameter post and a shim. The smaller diameter post will be more flexible unless you get a cheap thick-walled post.

The second type of clamp you linked to usually has serrations, which makes the seat angle adjustment have steps. Usually that means that you can't get the seat angle right. I prefer two bolt clamps because they're easy to adjust in very small increments.

Like this:

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:24 am
by Geoff
As you get more accustomed to riding, you will not be as affected. A big part of riding comfort is the choice of the 'right' saddle. Personally, if you cannot ride 4 or 5 hours in relative comfort, you probably should look at a different saddle.

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:59 am
by Burgunder
The saddle yeah, I think I need another one, but with only 16 days to go, there's not much time to experiment, and I live in a part of the countrywhere there's quite long to the nearest bikeshop.

On the other hand a new seatpost would not get here in time either.

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:27 pm
by Geoff
The seatpost will not help you. A conventional carbon post has to resist the compressive forces of the seatlug collar, as well as the other moments acting on it from above. As they are generally laid-up on a mandrel, they are light, but really stiff. One alternative is a 'tuned' carbon seatmast from an ISP design, but that is a whole other issue.

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:23 am
by Omcannondale
Maybe you can check air pressure on your wheels to add some comfort. If you are light can go with less pressure, if not another option could be 25mm on your rear wheel ...

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:21 am
by Burgunder
I did lower the pressure yesterday and took a quick 45 min spin and it seemed better than before. I have not had this bike for so long, but I'm sure the pressure was way to high when I got the bike, even to the point were it was over the factory limit.

I have also ordered another saddle to try but in 15 days I will have to ride 360 km, so I'm not to happy about chaning saddle when it arrives and then suddenly find out that it kills me after 150.

I have some new tires(Gp4000s) and latex tubes here too and hopefully they will sweeten the ride just a bit.

All in all I just need another month of training but since that's not going to happen, I've got to work with what I've got.

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:42 am
by socratease
first off: you need bib shorts. Good shorts will make a huge difference to comfort.

Also, go with the largest tires you can fit into your frame.

In my experience, if using a setback seatpost, a carbon one will damp some vibrations a bit better. Not a huge change, so this is much lower on the list of priorities for comfort.

Re: Seatpost sadlle mounting

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:37 am
by Burgunder
I think an update is in place here.

I did in fact succeed with the 375 km challenge at 27,2 kph. And I felt pretty comfortable during the race.

I never bought a new seatpost.

But I did take the chance and bought a new saddle, with only 200 km to test before the race itself. I choose this as it seemed a good budget solution even though it's not a WW saddle at 225 g. I will never go back to saddles without a cutout, and now I can explore lighter alternatives
I also supplied the bike with Conti GP 4000s 23 mm and micheliin latex tubes, and the right pressures according to my weight.

During the race I had the oppurtunity to watch several large riders with thin carbon seatposts and I witnessed lot of flex at least 5 mm in each direction, so at least with thin seatposts and long clearance there seems to be some suspension to get from a carbon seatpost. And my guess is that you will even get some from a shorter one with a larger diameter.

Re: Carbon seatpost flex (Seatpost sadlle mounting)

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:20 pm
by Burgunder
Here is a german test that seems to indicate that a carbon seatpost will flex a lot more than one made of aluminum. It also shows that a seatpost with setback will flex more than one with zero offset.

Re: Carbon seatpost flex (Seatpost sadlle mounting)

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:50 pm
by kai-ming
Thanks for the link.
''However, as this distance is classified? It can also be too much of a good thing? The answer is definitely yes. Namely, when the prop flexes so much that she felt even at pedaling and jagged maneuvers gives way, creating an uncomfortable bloated feeling when sitting.(translated from German to English by Google translate)'' stated in the report of the test.
You may find it interesting to read my post. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=106727

Re: Carbon seatpost flex (Seatpost sadlle mounting)

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:15 pm
by tomgag
Maybe it is just me but I never felt any difference with different seatpost.

Nearly same lenght.
Carbon off ebay 27.2
WCS 31.6
Boardman Carbon 31.6
WCS 27.2

Re: Carbon seatpost flex (Seatpost sadlle mounting)

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:13 pm
by Slowman
Check out the Specialized Pave seat post. It is designed to flex and dampen road buzz. At something like 220g it is light enough too.

The more seat post exposed the more flex you will have too.