Jul 10, 2014
Hello <HammerTime2>
my colleague Heidi forwarded your email to me.
At the moment we don´t plan to do an update on our Swiss Stop Brake Pads.
We do measurements every time and researching together with Swiss Stop on the combination Brake Pad and Brake surface.
For the moment we have the best mixture of rubber for our pads in dry and wet conditions. Even to avoid overheating especially in the big mountain.
if you have further question, pls let me know.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Kind regards,
Oliver Kiesel
Head of Product Management & Service
CarbonSports GmbH
Von: <HT2> [mailto:<HammerTime2>]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2014 17:28
An: Gajo, Michael
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Your request at Lightweight
Michael,
Is there any update on the brake pad testing? Is Swiss Stop perhaps developing a new generation brake pad optimized for Lightweight wheels?
Thanks.
<HammerTime2>
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On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:00 PM, "Gajo, Michael" <M.Gajo@lightweight.info> wrote:
Hi <HammerTime2>,
sorry but I don't have any further informations. All I know is, that we sent some wheels to Swissstop so they can make new tests.
The actual Lightweight brake pades are specially developed for Lightweight wheels. They have a special mixture of different rubber etc and are not similar to Swissstop yellow. They just looking the same
But even if they would have the exact same mixture the particles for the colour would have an influence on braking performance compared to the black one.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Kind regards,
Michael Gajo
Internal Services & Logistics
CarbonSports GmbH
Von: <HT2> [mailto:<HammerTim2>]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Januar 2014 16:22
An: Gajo, Michael
Betreff: Re: AW: Your request at Lightweight
Michael,
Can you please clarify regarding the new test series being started. Is a new version of Black Prince being tested, and if so, and the results are satisfactory (or good), will this result in SwissStop changing the formulation of Black Prince, or maybe designating a new model name, or producing a Ligttweight-branded version optimized for Lightweight, similar to the arrangement with the current Lightweight pads which supposedly are a version of SwissStop yellow optimized for Lightweight wheels (although many people doubt there's a real difference other than the color).
Or is new testing being done with the exact same pad formulation as was tested previously and as is now being sold as Black Prince?
Thanks,.
<HammerTIme2>
On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:23 AM, "Gajo, Michael" <M.Gajo@lightweight.info> wrote:
Hi <HammerTime2>,
I can't give you a recommendation for Black King for Lightweight wheels.The first tests were not to our & Swissstops satisfaction, so at the moment a new test series is started.
Andreas left our company in November and at the moment we have nobody for support in the internet forums.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Kind regards,
Michael Gajo
Internal Services & Logistics
CarbonSports GmbH
Von: <HT2> [mailto: <HammerTime2>
Gesendet: Montag, 20. Januar 2014 18:31
An: Gajo, Michael
Betreff: Re: Your request at Lightweight
Michael,
I use Ventoux DT 240 wheels ... but I am trying to determine whether SwissStop Black Prince pads might be better, especially in wet conditions (I rarely ride in the rain, but there is always a possibility of having to descend a mountain in the rain). Do you have a specific recommendation regarding Black Kings vs. (existing) Lightweight pads on these wheels? I would certainly like to get better wet braking performance, if it comes at no degradation to other performance attributes or wheel longevity or integrity.
Note that Andreas had responded in a Weight Weenies forum thread in September 2012 that CarbonSports was still testing Black Prince pads for use on Lightweight wheels, but he never provided conclusions, nor did he respond to email I sent him Feb 2013.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=105211&start=15#p919507 . Perhaps Andreas would like to reply in that thread and provide information to all Weight Weenies forum members, many of whom use Lightweight wheels.