Where is new SRAM Red?

[B0tt0mline]

Now with 13 it is identical range as 2x sram(10-33) and the same amount of usebale gears.

I really love the 1x13s, but there is a difference to 2x12 and you can for sure feel it (especially in the lighter gears).

Of course I can, I have both.

Go to ritzelrechner.de and compare.

[Minirac]

Now with 13 it is identical range as 2x sram(10-33) and the same amount of usebale gears.

I really love the 1x13s, but there is a difference to 2x12 and you can for sure feel it (especially in the lighter gears).

Of course I can, I have both.

Go to ritzelrechner.de and compare.

what cassette and front chainrings are you using on 2x?

[Minirac]

The concept of less efficient cahinline with 1x 13 is false.
1. You lose about 3W because of cross chain in lighter gears, that is true.
2. BUT you have larger chainring and larger cassette gear vs 2x for the same ratio (2x12, 10-33, 50/37 @33x37gear vs 1x 13, 10-46, 50 @46x50 gear) and we know that larger rings and sprockets are more efficient so you get back 3-5W.

[B0tt0mline]

I really love the 1x13s, but there is a difference to 2x12 and you can for sure feel it (especially in the lighter gears).

Of course I can, I have both.

Go to ritzelrechner.de and compare.

what cassette and front chainrings are you using on 2x?

11-34 and 50-34 Dura Ace 12x

[Minirac]

Of course I can, I have both.

Go to ritzelrechner.de and compare.

what cassette and front chainrings are you using on 2x?

11-34 and 50-34 Dura Ace 12x

i was referencing to sram 2x 10-33

[LanceLegstrong]

Now with 13 it is identical range as 2x sram(10-33) and the same amount of usebale gears.

Oh please let’s not bring up usable gears again.

The big thing for me was the jumps. I always hated 1x because the jumps were too big. That was 1x11 but only a 11-40t cassette. I could only imagine what a 10-51t would feel like on the road.

12red 10-36t:10,11,12,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36
13xplr 10-46t: 10,11,12,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,38,46

??????

+ whole groupset is lighter then new 2x red (same brakes, same levers)

It was a joke about the argument in the past couple pages.

[Bikera]

Longer chain stay (>415mm) means there is less angle difference between the chain ring and cogs, so can some one explain why do you need a wider crankset? Technically the chain is under less tension and friction on the extreme ends of the cassette when the chain stay is longer. I guess SRAM thinks that greater than 415mm means it's a gravel bike and people will be putting wider tires which may touch the chain?

I've been wondering the same thing and just guessed that proper operation of a T-type RD (with which I have "0" experience) is dependent on chain angle and/or length. I could see SRAM offering a wide RED crankset (which they hadn't before) for frames that are designed for wider tires (say 45mm+) but to mandate it for all gravel (and perhaps even all "endurance") frames that aren't designed for 45mm+ tires seems like a bad idea. I for one ain't willing to live with more chain noise just to run a bit bigger gravel tires (I have 43mm tires on my Diverge w/ a road-width 1x crankset but w/o anything close to any tire clearance issues).

[BigBoyND]

The concept of less efficient cahinline with 1x 13 is false.
1. You lose about 3W because of cross chain in lighter gears, that is true.
2. BUT you have larger chainring and larger cassette gear vs 2x for the same ratio (2x12, 10-33, 50/37 @33x37gear vs 1x 13, 10-46, 50 @46x50 gear) and we know that larger rings and sprockets are more efficient so you get back 3-5W.

"False"? For the <5% of time you spend in the small chainring on 2x. In the other 95% of the time, the big ring on the 2x is more efficient for the exact reason you mention. Over the course of a ride, you lose more energy to friction on a 1x than 2x.

[B0tt0mline]

Of course I can, I have both.

Go to ritzelrechner.de and compare.

what cassette and front chainrings are you using on 2x?

11-34 and 50-34 Dura Ace 12x

i was referencing to sram 2x 10-33

ah, ok, now i get what you meant.

[martocom]

Any rumors/news about Force 1x13?
For MTB, GX Transmission followed 4 months after launch XX.

[B0tt0mline]

Any rumors/news about Force 1x13?
For MTB, GX Transmission followed 4 months after launch XX.

I think you will have to wait longer- it is too new and too less UDH frames.

Moreover, they will need to save some releases for the next year(s).

But this is only my gut feeling, no insights.

[TobinHatesYou]

I bet Force XPLR 13-speed comes out before any flavor of 1x12 GRX Di2.

[pmprego]

I bet Force XPLR 13-speed comes out before any flavor of 1x12 GRX Di2.

For shimano's sake, they better jump to 1x13 GRX instead of the 1x12. Especially if SRAM releases cheaper 1x13 groupsets. They risk getting stuck 1 generation behind and lose the gravel segment entirely. I know it is japan but this should warrant a complete re-arrangment of management in this product segment.

But it would make sense for SRAM to release cheaper 1x13 only in the next gravel season. At least 1-year of sales to reap the markup of the early adopters smaller price sensitivity.

[robbosmans]

2025 will be shimano’s year, a LOT of new products

[Lina]

Do new products matter if they're all just iterations of the same old products with the same old flaws and they don't work together with already existing products?

Shimano is so far behind SRAM especially on the gravel space that no matter what Shimano releases it's just trying to play catch up. And if they were to surprise everyone and release a 1x13 GRX SRAM could just release their Force XPLR 13-speed the next day and undercut them on price.