New Giant TCR Advanced announced

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All the media folk are in Taiwan ahead of the release. They were given a tour of the factory and it looks like the TCR may be built using a process similar to RTM.

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:44 pm
All the media folk are in Taiwan ahead of the release. They were given a tour of the factory and it looks like the TCR may be built using a process similar to RTM.
Excuse my ignorance but what is rtm?

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by vinc

TobinHatesYou wrote:All the media folk are in Taiwan ahead of the release. They were given a tour of the factory and it looks like the TCR may be built using a process similar to RTM.
That’s abracadabra to me… could you explain what’s RTM?

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by toxin

Google resin transfer moulding, time and 3t are the only ones in the cycling industry using it so far

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by RDY

Resin Transfer Molding. What Time use, and what 3T for their 'Italia' frames partially use. At Giant's volumes I'm surprised they've not started long ago, as even at their Chinese factories (vs Taiwan), labor costs are too high as pre-preg is far too labor intensive. At their scale, unlike Time / 3T, they should be robotizing most of it. It's also a good excuse for them to re-onshore manufacturing. Sunk costs notwithstanding, if there's enough automation it could be significantly cheaper for them.

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RDY wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:17 pm
Resin Transfer Molding. What Time use, and what 3T for their 'Italia' frames partially use. At Giant's volumes I'm surprised they've not started long ago, as even at their Chinese factories (vs Taiwan), labor costs are too high as pre-preg is far too labor intensive. At their scale, unlike Time / 3T, they should be robotizing most of it. It's also a good excuse for them to re-onshore manufacturing. Sunk costs notwithstanding, if there's enough automation it could be significantly cheaper for them.
Besides the potential for cost cutting, is it better?

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by RDY

pmprego wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:00 pm
RDY wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:17 pm
Resin Transfer Molding. What Time use, and what 3T for their 'Italia' frames partially use. At Giant's volumes I'm surprised they've not started long ago, as even at their Chinese factories (vs Taiwan), labor costs are too high as pre-preg is far too labor intensive. At their scale, unlike Time / 3T, they should be robotizing most of it. It's also a good excuse for them to re-onshore manufacturing. Sunk costs notwithstanding, if there's enough automation it could be significantly cheaper for them.
Besides the potential for cost cutting, is it better?
Than a really good pre-preg frame with good lay up and adequate time, skill and training on the part of the workers making it? No - but there aren't many of those. But assuming the execution of the RTM is good (Time), it'll be better than 99.9% of the pre-preg frames on the market. I haven't seen a 3T RTM frame, but supposedly quality was terrible initially and tolerances all over the place - same with cranks and frames.

This isn't like hookless. It *should* be a win generally for the consumer.

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by alanyu

What? This is not a new thing to Giant. Giant started developing their only resin formulation decade ago. They only buy dry carbon fiber and produce CF composite (CF + resin) themselves for years. At their volume, this process is way cheaper than buying prepreg from Toray, Mitsubishi, etc.

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by ichobi

I am at the camp and it’s not rtm


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Pretty sure its not RTM. They just make their own Prepreg from fibre and resin.

RDY
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CamW wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:42 am
Pretty sure its not RTM. They just make their own Prepreg from fibre and resin.
Probably. If they were switching at least some of production to RTM we'd likely hear about it long before a product launch, in statements released to investors and financial press.

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by spartan

so when is this bike launching ? today
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