Final thought: loved the look of the SR crank in person.
Didn't notice the inline adjuster my view was taken up with the ugly disc brake levers. Graeme said they just couldn't make anything smaller than that and still retain the ergopower lever feel, along with being able to dissipate heat out of the fluid etc unless they used dot oil which would come with all sorts of additional problems they wanted to avoid.Calnago wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:17 pm@c60rider: thanks for that. I had some questions but i forgot to send them to you beforehand. Oh well, it’s not like I’m getting it tomorrow. The front mech looks all business. I like it. Did you notice if it still required the inline adjuster. I can set it up just fine without bu was wondering if they incorporated that into the front derailleur like Shimano did with 9100. Good to hear about the brakes. But if you want to do a dedicated rain bike with 25’s and full fenders, you’ll still have to pay pretty close attention to the frame you select.
Still wanting for more info on front chainring compatibility. The holes must be the same configuration if there’s even murmurs of a possible “workaround”. I suspect it may be just a slight spacing issue but I’ll just have to wait and see. Glad they’re keeping the relationship with P2M and SRM. No complaints there. Whether P2M and/or SRM feel playing in the Campy pool is worth it to them is a separate issue I suppose. As for the pages of cassette talk... I just didn’t get it. An 11/27 might be nice ultimate racers choice, but the gaps are totally fine with so many cogs. The 11/27 would likely give the 18 tooth and beyond 19, then 2 or 3 tooth gaps are on a percentage change basis just fine. See @ooo’s chart he posted way back in this thread somewhere. All in all I think this group is going to be a big hit.
Oh, did Graeme mention anything more about the new cables... like are they coated like Shimano’s, thinner like SRAM’s, etc. I kind of like the uncoated stainless steel strands of cables over the coated stuff. Can’t wait to set one up for real. I have someone in the queue with a new build waiting to happen and I told him that anything but Campy 12sp is unacceptable at this point, and if he wants me to build it, then 11sp is not an option given that the 12sp is so close. .
I think the chainring issue is purely spacing I forgot to take a pic of the inside of the crankset that may have given a clue. Though I'm guessing if our 11 speed chain tools fit then for sure our 11 speed chainrings must also fit the 12 speed chain so in the short term the SRM/P2M power meters should work if they're a bit slow with the workaround or to manufacture new spiders. Though there's going to be new crank arms needed to match the new 12 speed logos.
Frame-wise for me to make a proper wet weather bike is why I'll likely go full custom frame. I don't want disc brakes (did I hear Graeme say he doesn't like them himself, erm yes I did, though that's the look rather than the function) so that could make clearance tight with rim brakes. Can't be as tight as my current set up where new 23mm continental clinchers with the nibs in the middle of the tread rub against the underside of the mudguards.
I forgot to ask the specifics about the cables I asked more why the poxy name of 'maximum smoothness' that sounds much better in Italian! Perhaps they're planning an ultimate version. I didn't ask about wireless as for me personally I'm not too interested in that and it'll be known when it's released later this year.
This comment...neeb wrote: It’ll probably need to be rejoined in the heart of a neutron star using a special pin forged from one of the dwarfish rings of power.
My sci-fi and fantasy nerd is coming out but that comment totally made me LOL... . Good one neeb
Courir c’est mourir un peu
Personally, I don’t see the need unless we’re talking dedicated climbing bike, but then, a compact crank would mitigate the need for larger cogs in the first place. For those who want even lower gears than 39x27 or even 36x27, why not forgo 12 speed for a triple crank? I mean this seriously and not sarcastically. How much more would a triple weigh versus having a 32er or so on the cassette?
dgasmd wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:36 pmLike I said from the day it was released, this seems like a great choice for a "strickly climbing bike with a compact". Leave the 11SP for flat lands and standard crank. Even better if there is a wireless EPS coming out for either one or both. Then, the mechanical 11 sp goes to the back up bike! Or both, climbing and flat ride bikes get EPS!!!!!
I concur about cassettes shouldn't be bigger than chainrings, serious question here: has anyone reading ever actually needed easier than 1:1? That's a veeery low gear in my book.
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