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ultyguy wrote: (...) they endured over those years both physically and mentally.
that's a interesting thought. as for Froome, it's very likely things will go that way as there seems to be nothing out there to stop/distract him. Wiggins has obviously a different psychological construction, he appears as someone who thinks a lot about things, and in that case - i don't know if years of regime can serve him well. you really need to be focused and willing to make various sacrifices without looking back in order to maintain such a hard training programme and ultimately benefit from it. Porte's somehow between those two, a great engine, but what about his head?
kkibbler wrote: WW remembers.
IIRC the Brits (and probably others) did the same for the Team Pursuit.
The findings were that the most aero position for an individual may not necessarily be beneficial to those following. Also that the distance behind is not necessarily "as close as possible." Probably the other "mind blown" thing was that the rider in front goes faster when the rider(s) following are in the "sweet spot" (due to laminar airflow reattachment and other big words that elude me).
Or it could just be a marketing photo op.
Ultra cool to see a pic of it though. Thanks for posting.
"I'm not a real doctor; But I am a real worm; I am an actual worm." - TMBG
That is not what I would imagine the problem would be for newer/developing riders, but rather the approach of using the 1 week stage races within a training block and book-ending them with massive volume of 25-30hrs/week on either side. Maybe a seasoned guy can handle that, but I would imagine that it would be extremely taxing and kill speed for some of the more snappy types. EBH seems to have completely lost any snap that he once had. All the stresses of racing and traveling probably magnify the training stress of a block.
If you read interviews with Wiggo it seems that the dieting was much more stressful than the training as he had to maintain a weight that was almost 15lbs lighter than normal plus all the media hype/stress and it just got to be annoying for a goal that he was unlikely to repeat. JTL I just don't think was ready for the big time and sure maybe the volume sapped him, or maybe his bio passport results indicate something else was a bit more at play
Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez wrote:Dombrowsky is coming back from knee injury, not the best preparation for ATOC. His best ride at pro levels was done under Trek/Bontrager development team.
Team Sky has peculiar training methods. Tim Kerrison practice reversed periodization.
The classic approach to training is to work endurance first and then do more specific/interval/intensity training to peak for a determined period of time and generally the rider would get on top form for a month or 6 weeks.
Reverse periodization means you always do specific/interval training all the season, but you start with short periods of intensity in winter and progressively lengthen the intensity work.
This kind of training is much more stressful/demanding for the body and mind. If, at one point you get physically or mentally tired, it can become a nightmare because the body doesn't answer as it should under effort.
When it's working you can have a very long period of good form, such as Wiggins in 2012 or Porte & Froome in 2013 when they basically won every stage race they would start.
In 2013 Wiggo couldn't mentally endure this kind of training, too much demanding. It is not surprising to see him performing in 2014 with a fresh mind/approach to the races. The Roubaix thing was the best thing for him. If you've had a look at Giro del Trentino, you might have seen him performing very well in the mountains despite having raced the classics just 10 days before and some kilos of overweight. (compared to his Grand Tour weight)
This kind of training method also naturally select the strong "pedigrees"/engines such as Ian Stannard, Geraint Thomas or Wiggins. Porte is having trouble this year but this training method did well during two seasons, but kill the weaker bodies or weaker minds (Tiernan-Locke for example who just couldn't adapt to the method)
Thank you for the precisions. May be I expressed it wrong.
Kerrison's strategy is that a well trained athlete doesn't necessarily need a long period of base level training to start the pre-season. That sounds both logical and controversary. Logical because 3 months of base level training on an athlete can lower his speed/intensity aptitudes and with the high level of professionalism now, a lot of riders have very short vacations/inactivity, or even would spend their hollidays at hiking/swimming etc... so why start like you had not done any activity in a year?!
Controversy because there are decades of good results achieved with traditionnal "pyramid" training (long base then intensity to peak)
I've heard some riders have issues with the metabolism going nuts and using fats as the energetic source during efforts so you can't accelerate when it matters, rider feels great form at 75%/80% of intensity but then can't follow the pace because his body is using slow energetic pathway... I read that from a guy with too much knowledge for me so I can't repeat exactly how it happens sorry.
I think what you pointed out is what I was getting at is that you take a bunch of younger riders and subject them to that kind of load and they might do OK at first, but after a while it can become too much. I raised my question because there are very few riders that Sky has truly transformed or made into consistent successes. People speak of their training and racing program as if its some massively successful paradigm and it was last year and the year before in stage races with key TTs and long, steady climbs, but their record of success elsewhere has not been so great. If they can burn out a guy such as Wiggins, who has years of road racing and track racing under his belt and has probably acclimated to the load over time then I would imagine a young guy such as Boswell probably would have a harder time with it as well. Or perhaps I could be wrong and these guys could be rockets in 2 years time, but seeing EBH go from the next big thing to progressively getting fewer and fewer results as time goes on would suggest to me that he has sacrificed a lot to be the 1st guy on the front on a climb.
This guy can reach good form very fast/early but then stagnates. His weak point has been endurance for years and it is not getting better so it is time to change something or may be it's not training method's fault but just his body not conceding.
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