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spud
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by spud

Contador was down 2+ minutes to Froome in the first TT. Post rest day, he's down only 9 seconds to Froome in the second TT. I'm not bashing Contador, I respect the way that he really races (down hills included) - he throws everything in his arsenal at his foes.

Still wondering...

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by stella-azzurra

Evans threw in the towel a few stages ago.
Time to hit the retire button.
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Anybody got a video or gif showing Froome's bike change during the TT?

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by mrlobber

Really hoping for a 1-2 punch from Saxo on the Alpe tomorrow.

Then again (only half seriously), if Contador was actually able to drop Froome on the upcoming stages, I'd be really wondering about the meals he ate on the 2nd rest day 8)

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Tapeworm wrote:
majklnajt wrote:It looked to me like he was playing that fatigue...


I going to add that to the file of "Stupid shite I've read on the internet."

It worked in that 2001 stage to Alpe d`Huez....

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Cav beats Evans in uphill TT.



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by stella-azzurra

I though of LeMond and Fignon when I read this.

Alberto Contador (Saxo-Bank) was in the hot seat with an effort of 51:42, but his decision to remain on his road bike with aero clip-ons while Froome swapped to a time trial bike in the latter section of the route may have cost the Spaniard the stage win. Froome trailed Contador by 11 seconds at the 20km time split on the day's second category two climb, but turned that deficit into a nine-second advantage on the fast run-in to the finish.
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stella-azzurra wrote:read ...
Froome trailed Contador by 11 seconds at the 20km time split on the day's second category two climb, but turned that deficit into a nine-second advantage on the fast run-in to the finish.
While I don't know whether Contador's decision to not change bikes cost him the stage victory, the above time assessment is misleading. Froome switched bikes before the 20km time spilt, and therefore already incurred the time loss associated with executing the switch. Had Froome not made the switch, he would have had a better time than he did at the 20 km time split.

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by deek

I definitely did not expect Froome to gain 20 seconds on Contador in the last 12km, especially considering Froome had wetter roads and a lot more to lose. Contador still had a pretty aero setup too.

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I can see that happening. Contador is not the same Contador and the variables are many.
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by KB

deek wrote:I definitely did not expect Froome to gain 20 seconds on Contador in the last 12km, especially considering Froome had wetter roads and a lot more to lose.

HT2's post was correct. Without the bike change where it was, I think the difference at the time check was about 15 secs that Froome lost with the change, so the likely gain on the descent was more like 5 seconds.

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by deek

No. I realize that he would have been down less than 11 seconds if he didn't change bikes. Froome was down 11 seconds at the time check (after the bike change) and then beat Contador by 9 seconds. That means that he gained 20 seconds after the final checkpoint.

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by HammerTime2

KB, I disagree with your agreement. The point of my post was not that Froome didn't gain 20 sec from the 20km check to the finish, but that he he wasn't really 11 sec behind Contador on an "athletic performance" basis in the first 20km, owing to Froome's time loss in executing the switch prior to the 20km check, and that Froome was actually somewhat faster than Contador up to the point where he switched bikes (which presumes Froome's time loss in executing the switch, less any gain from being more aero from the location of the switch to the 20lm check, was more than 11 sec).

I agree with deek immediately above.

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