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I like underdogs...except Sagan, as an underdog, so I'll be cheering for Boonen the next two weekends.
Counting my sleeps here to the big day. This might become a habit as I have already ruined my wife and she's a bike geek now. Taking her to see the Ronde might very well be the last nail in the coffin before we buy an RV and go travel Europe following pro races.
Sagan at last year's Ronde. I can't remember how he distanced himself on the Oude Kwaremont, but he just sucked wheels to all the way to Paterberg, and then some, before attacking the chasing group on the hill, just to be brought back few k's down the road. Don't like the guy is my message in a nutshell I suppose.
I find the talents of the big 3 a really interesting balance, like rock paper scissors.
Sagan can climb and sprint, but doesn't have the monster engine (maybe that'll come a bit with age)
Boonen can sprint and motor, but not climb (above the bergs of the lowlands).
Cancellara has the monster motor and can climb pretty well, but would never win a sprint against either of the 2 above.
I'd love to see a finale at RVV with just the 3 of them. Mano a Mano a Mano,
KWalker wrote:I will be really disappointed if it turns out he was one of the Fuentes clients as speculated.
It's 100% certain Cancellara doped during the 2000's: he excelled in an era when climbing rates were on order 5% higher than they are now, when day-to-day recovery was almost perfect. So if it wasn't Fuentes it was someone else.
stage 17 of the 2008 Tour:
"With the start of the climb over, O'Grady had done his work. Cancellara took over for CSC and the gap started to drop. He set a terrible pace, catching and dropping Di Gregorio and putting the sprinters off the back. Even white jersey contenders Nibali and Maxime Monfort (Cofidis) gave up the ghost. Jimmy Casper (Agritubel) had been dropped early in the stage and was now 18 minutes behind and nearly assured of being time cut."
Sure, it's not proof, but if it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. That was how people played with the big boys then.
When I think of guys during that era who may have stayed clear of the good stuff, I think of Thomas Voeckler. He finished 97th in GC. Did he train less? Was he inexperienced? I doubt it, and no, and he was younger then. But all of a sudden he becomes a podium contender simultaneously with VAMs dropping precipitously. I don't think Voeckler's VAMs went up, it's that others came back to him.
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Maybe he got an "assist" fromdjconnel wrote:It's 100% certain Cancellara doped during the 2000's: he excelled in an era when climbing rates were on order 5% higher than they are now, when day-to-day recovery was almost perfect. So if it wasn't Fuentes it was someone else.
How much extra weight for those oversized pulley, DJ?
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ave wrote:So, what did Sagan wrong in E3? Even Cannondale wasn't that bad, they managed to round up 4-5 guys to pull back the break just in time before the Paterberg.
I was thinking he might have been OK with Oss (teammate last year) getting 2nd.
what he did wrong was he didn't follow fabian. at the 35km mark sagan was like maybe only 1/2 wheel back, then fabian puts in a dig and the gap never closed from then on. I dont think sagan could have been better positioned, other than being off the front himself lol.
cliffs notes. there is nothing you can do when fabian rides like that.
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It's not a proof but maybe Fuentes will talk one day, soon...
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