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Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:51 pm
by AGW
KWalker wrote:
AGW wrote:
KWalker wrote:Hip angle doesn't necessarily have anything to do with power transfer unless you believe Andy Pruitt.


I don't believe just about anything Andy Pruitt has to say, but an anteriorly rotated pelvis has everything to do with glute activation. This isn't just a fact of cycling, either. This is the foundational form approach for all power sports.


You can still have a very closed hip angle AND an anteriorally rotated pelvis, which is my point and the case for the pros above.

Last time I checked although knowledgeable, Gerard Vroomen isn't a very good bike rider, hasn't won a lot of races himself, nor was he too successful at helping run a team. The fact remains that these riders still do their jobs extremely, extremely well and until any position completely affects them from accomplishing their tasks we're all just bullshitting over nothing. Its impossible to isolate 1 factor for good or bad results so I don't see any use in trying to say "X would have won this if not for fit"


Touche, I'll conceded the point. I'm missing what Vroomen has to do with this though. I personally don't care for Cervelo geometry nor do I think it lends itself to the kind of position I was referring to.

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:51 pm
by Weenie

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:03 pm
by CarlosFerreiro
djconnel wrote:Gerard is not impressed

But.... it always looks to me more like Cancellara's hood height is priority1, so that a 90 degree arm bend on the hoods puts him close to his usual TT torso angle?
And the rest is just left to follow on from that choice?

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:19 pm
by KWalker
^this. Its the most aerodynamic position on the road because it reduces the frontal area of the arms and brings the hands higher and more in line with the hips. Everything follows from there. The drops can be probably almost as aero, but for a breakaway/TT specialist this is key. I know quite a few people with similar riding styles that have their bikes setup that way and almost never use the drops or only use them in a sprint situation.

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:55 pm
by Ghost234
KWalker wrote:Its a size 60 bike, with a (heavier) SRM, lots of paint, a non-ww saddle, alloy bars, non-ww stem, and wheels aren't super light either. I can see that being about right.



Previous generation di2 as well. Switching to the new stuff will drop considerable weight.

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:25 pm
by djconnel
KWalker wrote:Its a size 60 bike, with a (heavier) SRM, lots of paint, a non-ww saddle, alloy bars, non-ww stem, and wheels aren't super light either. I can see that being about right.


I've not run numbers, but surely the frame is around 1.8 kg to blow out the UCI limit by 800 g. Saddle and pedals, good chances to gain weight, are light.

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:49 pm
by HammerTime2
Maybe the supposed high weight of the bike is part of a disinformation campaign to add to the Jens mystique. 8)

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:15 pm
by djconnel
Of course! I can be very dense sometimes I saw on VeloNews he bends handlebars in his teeth.

(correction...)
Image

You're absolutely correct.

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:58 pm
by Tapeworm
djconnel wrote:
AGW wrote:The similarities are pronounced.


Gerard is not impressed.

Then again, Adam Hansen isn't sprinting for the win so often.


I thought that Cancellara going to the line against a sprinter would endorse the position he uses, if anything.


And as for the various hip angles and power, road cycling is not dependant on peak power production. "It's an aerobic sport dammit!"

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:23 pm
by djconnel
I think the point of the photo was the difference in this particular case was Greipel's hands were further back (being on the drops) and therefore his wheel was further forward (more room for a bike throw), and that alone was worth the victory. Of course, counterargument is Cancellara wouldn't have even been there with higher bars and hands on the drops, because he'd have been less aero. But we have no way of knowing that.

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:04 pm
by fletch62
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/apology-to-trent-lowe
I, for one, am very happy to see this published.
Trent had his career destroyed by the rumors and innuendo, so much so, he has given up road completely and gone back to mtb AFAIK.

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:22 pm
by petepeterson
Ha! Totally giving him the benefit of the doubt!

Not that I care what he did or didn't do but once again I find myself amazed at the faith cycling fans have in the athletes!

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:30 pm
by stella-azzurra
Trent don't sue us.

Love,
CyclingNews

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:33 am
by Monkeyboy3333

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:26 pm
by nathanong87
so if sven retires, the rainbow jersey just never features in the next season? has that ever happened where the current world champion doesn't participate and wear the jersey the following season?

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:18 pm
by -Robin-
Sven will certainly ride the 2014 season. He was only in doubt whether to continue after that or not.

Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:18 pm
by Weenie