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Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:57 pm
by artray
I did not think there was a vaidated test by any sporting body for plasticizers in any sporting case. Also plasticizers are found in loads of every day objects so it's a bit of a red herring IMO . I think you would find most of us would show traces of plasticizers. People should really look into this stuff. It will get to a point where athletes won't know what to eat or drink in fear of being called a doper.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:57 pm
by Weenie
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Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:02 pm
by stella-azzurra
Which people should look into to this? The scientists that devise the tests for doping?
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:26 pm
by petal666
artray wrote:If we are playing buy the rules then Contador should not have even been charged it was such a small amount.
If we are playing by the rules, Contador should be and was banned for doping.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:32 pm
by HammerTime2
artray wrote:Also plasticizers are found in loads of every day objects
such as blood bags.
On February 17, 2011 in this "PRO" Cycling DIscussion thread, HammerTime2 wrote:Willier wrote:hockinsk wrote:I wonder if Contador still eats red meat in Spain? Bet he does!
He said on spanish TV, that he has become a vegetarian
Contador went on to state "From now on, I will only consume vegeteble-based PEDs, no more meat-based PEDs for me. Andy can stick with the meat-based-PEDs, but not for me." He then shot his trademark finger gun and went on to say "But seriously folks, because plastic is not environmentally friendly, from this point on, I will only use glass containers to store my blood, since I don't want to be responsible for use of a plastic bag which might end up in a landfill or something, or could end up in a stream and might result in a clenbuterol-laced cow choking on it. Of course, I am only storing my own blood in case it's needed for a severe accident, and of course I don't wish to take a chance on a blood donor having ingested any PEDs, because that would give me an unfair advantage, inadvertent as it might be."
So the real lesson here is not to use plastic bags to store blood you intend to infuse.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:27 pm
by prendrefeu
artray wrote:I mean they have let other athletes off in other sports found with a higher dosage.
Last time I checked, this isn't "other sports."
Last time I checked, the thread title is "PRO
Cycling Discussion"
And, by all accounts of major international sports, professional cycling has been the most active in combating and confronting doping issues within the sport. To say that other sports let their athletes off with higher dosage just gives me more confidence in cycling's integrity.... UCI/Lance issue not withstanding. Who cares what other sports do or don't do? This is cycling. Not football, not american football, not baseball, not weight lifting... this is cycling.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:06 am
by 54x11
prendrefeu wrote:artray wrote:I mean they have let other athletes off in other sports found with a higher dosage.
Last time I checked, this isn't
"other sports." Last time I checked, the thread title is "PRO
Cycling Discussion"
He probably means other sports that share the same WADA code as cycling, in which case there may be an argument. It's the same set of rules.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:42 am
by Ghost234
In Contadors case, the Clenbuterol was 40 times below the amount required to be reported. It was only discovered due to the fact that it was tested in a new lab. Heck, even CAS agreed that it was likely the result of a contaminated food supplement. I don't believe his ban in THIS case was justified.
That said, I am under no illusion that Contador has a spotless past. I am very confident in saying that he must have used something - especially early in his career.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:50 am
by geraldatwork
artray wrote:He only got busted with the smallest trace of clenbuterol. I mean they have let other athletes off in other sports found with a higher dosage . If we are playing buy the rules then Contador should not have even been charged it was such a small amount. I do agree that the only chance of stopping doping is a life ban.
Contador getting busted for Clenbuterol is pure irony. He knows he is going to donate his own blood for use later. So he loads up on meat to get as much iron in his blood as possible. So he eats Spanish meat not thinking it contains Clenbuterol. Gives himself a transfusion during the race and gets busted for plasticizers. Which are not "technically" banned.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:02 am
by stella-azzurra
Do you know what plasticizers are? If not
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlasticizerWhich by the way I would like to introduce to you LiquiGlide.
The possibilities are endless!!!
Behold, the non-stick ketchup bottle.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology PhD candidate Dave Smith and his group of Varanasi Research Group mechanical engineers and nano-technologists appear to have struck a revolutionary advancement in the challenging field of total condiment extraction.
The result? LiquiGlide, a slide-inducing spray that ensures you will always get that last glob of ketchup, mustard or dressing gathered at a bottle's neck, clung to its side or otherwise impeded from reaching its desired destination.
And the MIT guys say their solution to a classic culinary quandary is perfectly safe.
"We found a way to make the coating from edible, FDA-approved food materials that won't mix or leach into the contents of the bottle," boasts the FAQ page on the LiquiGlide website.
But what about all those pesky nanoparticles?
"No nanoparticles to worry about. It's also flavorless!"
The site claims the spray will work on glass, plastic, metal and ceramic surfaces and with any condiment — there's also a similar video showing LiquiGlide's use with mayonnaise.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djwahGRi5iEhttp://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-24/news/ct-talk-liquiglide-ketchup-bottles-0525-20120524_1_ketchup-bottles-condiment
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:16 pm
by artray
prendrefeu "by all accounts of major international sports, professional cycling has been the most active in combating and confronting doping issues within the sport."
I don't see how you can make such a comment when cycling has been turned into a laughing stock by the UCI . They have been turning a blind eye to doping for years. They have no credability. It was USADA who went after Armstrong and all that followed. The UCI have been made to look incompetent .
Spot on 54x11.
It should be one sporting body making clear lines for what is a doping offence. Plasticizers can be found in lots of things . Clenbuterol was found in a nasal spray for colds . It is becoming very difficult for athletes to stay clean if we keep talking about tiny traces of substances.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:33 pm
by Rob81
but it's not a casuality that Dr.Ferrari (interceptions talking with former pro Bertagnolli) suggested to use "reliable" veterinary blood bags, after the Contador "we_know_it_was_meat,yes?" affair
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:54 pm
by Kjetil
Blood bags an everyday object? Wait! this is "PRO" Cycling Discussion.
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:18 pm
by KWalker
http://road.cc/content/news/71023-paul- ... am-sky-kitSo ugly, minus the last one.
Why did Rapha decide to take the armband motif that Hugo Boss designed for Nazi Germany and put it on all their kits?
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:54 pm
by jmilliron
Because it's badass looking?
Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:54 pm
by Weenie
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Re: "PRO" Cycling Discussion
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:16 pm
by Kjetil
I cannot find any source saying Boss designed uniforms for nazi Germany.