2024 Pro thread

[Karvalo]

What do you mean he is "Actually a professor at Uni.." This is what I said. He is a doc that specializes in blood/metabolism. He has done studies with cancer, he's also done studies with sport performance.

When you say 'he's a doctor' most people will think you mean he's a medical doctor, not that he has a PHD in sport science. Which honestly sounds quite trainery to me.

He is a practicing medical doctor.

https://som.cuanschutz.edu/Profiles/Fac ... file/19887

I don't think 'PHD' are the normal initials for a Medical Doctor. Why do you think most of the other faculty members there have the initials 'MD' after their names?

[Karvalo]

His PhD is in physiology, which is a scientific degree not a medical one.

In any case, he is obviously an expert in his field and knows more about this specific area than most medical doctors.
To say his doctorate is somehow less valid than a medical one is wrong. In the same way, if I have a heart condition, I want a cardiologist not a neurologist.

If I want to optomize human performance and how the body reacts to training, I don't want a medical doctor. I want a scientific doctor specializing in this field.

You've got it the wrong way around. No one said his credentials are less impressive because he's not a medical doctor, Repoman is saying he's not really a trainer/coach because he's 'only' a medical doctor. But he's not a medical doctor, he's a sport scientist.

[Karvalo]

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[EtoDemerzel]

His PhD is in physiology, which is a scientific degree not a medical one.

In any case, he is obviously an expert in his field and knows more about this specific area than most medical doctors.
To say his doctorate is somehow less valid than a medical one is wrong. In the same way, if I have a heart condition, I want a cardiologist not a neurologist.

If I want to optomize human performance and how the body reacts to training, I don't want a medical doctor. I want a scientific doctor specializing in this field.

You've got it the wrong way around. No one said his credentials are less impressive because he's not a medical doctor, Repoman is saying he's not really a trainer/coach because he's 'only' a medical doctor. But he's not a medical doctor, he's a sport scientist.

I wasn't responding to Repoman or anyone directly which is why I didn't quote him.
But I did look back and the reason I said "To say his doctorate is somehow less valid than a medical one is wrong. "

Is because you said, "When you say 'he's a doctor' most people will think you mean he's a medical doctor, not that he has a PHD in sport science. Which honestly sounds quite trainery to me."

[Requiem84]

My trigger point was that San Milan was being depicted in the same vain as Sports Doctors. That is more the role of someone like Fuentes, the famous Spanish doping enabler. That guy was a Medical Docter (so practicing medicine) working as sports doctor for cycling teams. Same with Ferrari, he has a degree in medicine and worked as a sports doctor for cycling teams.

San Milan is more an academic type who is into research, writing scientific papers and advising the team / specific riders on how to train etc. Not the type of guy you go to to set-up an IV drip.

[Karvalo]

His PhD is in physiology, which is a scientific degree not a medical one.

In any case, he is obviously an expert in his field and knows more about this specific area than most medical doctors.
To say his doctorate is somehow less valid than a medical one is wrong. In the same way, if I have a heart condition, I want a cardiologist not a neurologist.

If I want to optomize human performance and how the body reacts to training, I don't want a medical doctor. I want a scientific doctor specializing in this field.

You've got it the wrong way around. No one said his credentials are less impressive because he's not a medical doctor, Repoman is saying he's not really a trainer/coach because he's 'only' a medical doctor. But he's not a medical doctor, he's a sport scientist.

I wasn't responding to Repoman or anyone directly which is why I didn't quote him.
But I did look back and the reason I said "To say his doctorate is somehow less valid than a medical one is wrong. "

Is because you said, "When you say 'he's a doctor' most people will think you mean he's a medical doctor, not that he has a PHD in sport science. Which honestly sounds quite trainery to me."

Yeah, exactly. Like I said, you've got it the wrong way round. Repoman said he's not a real trainer because he's only a medical doctor. I said he's got a PHD in sport science, which to me sounds quite relevant to being a trainer. Get it?

[EtoDemerzel]

LOL
Is that why you edited your post that MD's look down on PhD's, as if it's a lower degree?

[MichaelK]

Rest days are the worst

[robbosmans]

They consume twice or more the amount of carbs than they used to, that alone is the biggest innovation in endurance sports. Records are being smashed in all disciplines of endurance sports.

[EtoDemerzel]

I'm very skeptical of performances but this conversation about doping is really the true cost of the Lance Dopestrong legacy (yeah it's not just him).

In this Olympic year, it's true that many world records in other sports are falling. Not just recent records, but long standing world records.

The epo era defenders will always believe every success is on the juice because that's the world view that makes sense to them.

It's natural to be sus, given the history. The thing is, I've not seen anything in Pog or Vingo's history that would indicate it. They have always been what they are. Just as LeMond was. From 15yrs old to 35 yrs old, they never changed their characteristics.

[Karvalo]

LOL
Is that why you edited your post that MD's look down on PhD's, as if it's a lower degree?

I edited it to put the M and D in bold, to help Repoman understand where he made his mistake. Anything else is purely your imagination.

Again - you have things entirely backwards. Repoman is looking down on medical doctors. I am not looking down on Sports Science PHDs. I am saying it probably means he is qualified for the job he does at UAE. I cannot for the life of me fathom why you find that offensive.

[tymon_tm]

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[Jaisen]

It didn't look like it at the time since it wasn't explosive, but JV's attack on Pogi was savage.



For context, at his ITT last year, JV did 7.38 ᵉW/Kg for 13:31 min, on fresh legs, not at the end of a stage mid climb. Again hats off to all the riders yesterday, it was truly mesmerizing to behold.

https://lanternerouge.com/2023/07/19/vi ... ges-16-17/

ETA: JV confirms the estimates given on Lanterne Rouge are very accurate:
https://sport-tv2-dk.translate.goog/cyk ... r_pto=wapp

[TobinHatesYou]

A guy on a conti-level team I know who is currently looking for a 2025 contract says you pretty much need 6.1w/kg minimum as climber to be considered for an EU ProTeam spot (or have results in spite of a lower threshold.) The sport is getting faster at all levels. EF / Vaughters is plucking 14 year olds of out middle school for his EF Education-Onto squad.

[CJosephB]

On this off day, I wonder what people's thought are of the possibility that Sepp Kuss missed the Tour De France because he wants a shot at the GC? And Visma said this is Vingos to lose, you ride or your out. And the official tag line is he had Covid. (All Speculation)