2022 PRO equipment thread

[spartan]

https://cyclingtips.com/ recently reviewed the new cervelo s5 size 56. 8030gm no pedals.
" Lighter it may be, but my 56 cm test bike still weighed in at 8.03kg with Shimano Ultegra 12-speed Di2 and Reserve’s new 52/63 wheelset, before pedals."

if upgraded to dura ace you lose 250gm. with pedals +230gm a 15k bike will weigh 8kg. damn heavy. lightest of the new aero bikes is scott foil at 7.7kg with pedals.

weigh/aero ration stick with proven sworks tarmac sl7

trek once again too heavy. their is always hope on new giant propel/cannondale next supersix

[spdntrxi]

^ I'm @ 8kg with my flat kit (tools, c02,tube, etc) so likely be @ 8.2-.3kg or so with a S5. ouch.

[TobinHatesYou]

https://cyclingtips.com/ recently reviewed the new cervelo s5 size 56. 8030gm no pedals.
" Lighter it may be, but my 56 cm test bike still weighed in at 8.03kg with Shimano Ultegra 12-speed Di2 and Reserve’s new 52/63 wheelset, before pedals."

if upgraded to dura ace you lose 250gm. with pedals +230gm a 15k bike will weigh 8kg. damn heavy. lightest of the new aero bikes is scott foil at 7.7kg with pedals.

weigh/aero ration stick with proven sworks tarmac sl7

trek once again too heavy. their is always hope on new giant propel/cannondale next supersix

The SL7 only won a single stage in this year’s TdF despite being ridden by three teams. Aero bikes won 9 stages, all-rounders won 10 stages, TT bikes won 2 stages.

The Madone won a stage from a breakaway. The S5 won more stages than any other bike. Weight matters, but not as much as you think it does.

With the updated UCI regulations, Specialized will be clamoring to release the “Re-Venge” or whatever they choose to call it. I bet the SL8 ends up with quite a deep HT as well.

[AJS914]

If Jumbo and UAE had been riding the SL7, it would have won many stages.

[spartan]

most idiotic post of the yaar
if lotto jumbo was on outdated bianchi's the results would not have changed . LOL

fyi the sl7 last year crushed it if you go by wins . cav one 4. quickstep has racked up more victories in the last 2 years than any other team.

for the consumer, weight can be felt and it matters. constant acceleration from stop lights and navigating in city traffic light bikes feel more agile/responsive. yeah this is weight weenies after all.

https://cyclingtips.com/ recently reviewed the new cervelo s5 size 56. 8030gm no pedals.
" Lighter it may be, but my 56 cm test bike still weighed in at 8.03kg with Shimano Ultegra 12-speed Di2 and Reserve’s new 52/63 wheelset, before pedals."

if upgraded to dura ace you lose 250gm. with pedals +230gm a 15k bike will weigh 8kg. damn heavy. lightest of the new aero bikes is scott foil at 7.7kg with pedals.

weigh/aero ration stick with proven sworks tarmac sl7

trek once again too heavy. their is always hope on new giant propel/cannondale next supersix

The SL7 only won a single stage in this year’s TdF despite being ridden by three teams. Aero bikes won 9 stages, all-rounders won 10 stages, TT bikes won 2 stages.

The Madone won a stage from a breakaway. The S5 won more stages than any other bike. Weight matters, but not as much as you think it does.

With the updated UCI regulations, Specialized will be clamoring to release the “Re-Venge” or whatever they choose to call it. I bet the SL8 ends up with quite a deep HT as well.

[TobinHatesYou]

Are you at ~6-7% BF? If not, weight clearly doesn’t matter to you as much as you claim it does.

Do you honestly think the consumer “feels” frame/module weight more than pros? What does weight matter when a consumer is riding up Ventoux at 2.5w/kg?

Specialized's one-bike strategy, even if it made sense in 2020-2021 under the old UCI 3:1 regs...well it doesn't make sense anymore.

[spartan]

- sorry for derailing this thread but need to make this point.

so my assumptions are based on tour mag data. they are the only indepedent date we have .
read this article

http://www.cyclesetforme.fr/performance ... orld-tour/

simplon pride 2 developed with the new regs delivers 199 w. cervelo might match it . assume it does. i don't think the madone will come close. will see.

the sl7 was tested at 210 watts with rapide (50mm front depth) we know in general a 60mm + wheel give us extra 2 watt savings . see tour mag test dtswiss 62 vs 51. data for both exist on this forum.

so at 208 watts. the next gen sl8 can shave off a couple more watts to bring it at 205 watts. match the amazing aero of the dogma F.

so what would you ride a 7kg all arounder that is 5 watts slower that a 800gm heavier full aero bike at 45km/h. at 35km the savings are halved.

i think the decision is obvious.

Specialized's one-bike strategy, even if it made sense in 2020-2021 under the old UCI 3:1 regs...well it doesn't make sense anymore.

[Lina]

I'll take the aero bike please.

[skinnybex]

Yeah, I'll also take the Aero bike in almost all circumstances unless the climbs are longer than 10 minutes and the elevation creeps above 6% extended. Bike weight is overrated for 95% of riders that average 25'-50' elevation gain per 1 mile ridden.

[spdntrxi]

I'll take the aero bike all day as well and have. But I dont want a boat anchor either. I'm @ 7.5kg now and not looking to increase if I dont have too.

[TobinHatesYou]

The decision is obvious for both pros and amateur racers alike. If they have the option, they choose the aero bike for flat/rolling races or even races with early mountains, but flatter finishes. Hirschi used the S5 exclusively at the TdF a few years ago to much success. 5 watts is somewhere around a 1.5% gain on flat ground, and it’s the difference in a bike throw.

[spartacus]

https://cyclingtips.com/ recently reviewed the new cervelo s5 size 56. 8030gm no pedals.
" Lighter it may be, but my 56 cm test bike still weighed in at 8.03kg with Shimano Ultegra 12-speed Di2 and Reserve’s new 52/63 wheelset, before pedals."

if upgraded to dura ace you lose 250gm. with pedals +230gm a 15k bike will weigh 8kg. damn heavy. lightest of the new aero bikes is scott foil at 7.7kg with pedals.

weigh/aero ration stick with proven sworks tarmac sl7

trek once again too heavy. their is always hope on new giant propel/cannondale next supersix

The SL7 only won a single stage in this year’s TdF despite being ridden by three teams. Aero bikes won 9 stages, all-rounders won 10 stages, TT bikes won 2 stages.

The Madone won a stage from a breakaway. The S5 won more stages than any other bike. Weight matters, but not as much as you think it does.

With the updated UCI regulations, Specialized will be clamoring to release the “Re-Venge” or whatever they choose to call it. I bet the SL8 ends up with quite a deep HT as well.

You don't actually believe the bike had anything to do with that do you?

Also there are other races besides the 2022 mens TDF lol

[C36]

The decision is obvious for both pros and amateur racers alike. If they have the option, they choose the aero bike for flat/rolling races or even races with early mountains, but flatter finishes. Hirschi used the S5 exclusively at the TdF a few years ago to much success. 5 watts is somewhere around a 1.5% gain on flat ground, and it’s the difference in a bike throw.

Along aero and way before weight, we are leaving asside a key element: how the bike feels, it may even be 1st aspect in many cases.

Nobody wants to have a "dead" bike or feel that they are "fighting" against it and that's driving a lot of the choices, EF riding all the time the SSevo3 over the SystemSix, many Canyon riders using the Aeroad over the Ultimate are 2 examples I have direct info on. More globally, there was a comment shared on Josh Marginal gain podcast and that I hear regularly from ProTour riders or mechanics: "you want to have the best bike whenever the difference will be made, not when things are easy", for example in his winning wolrd championship, Valverde ran different Bora wheels in training to select the ones he felt would back-him-up the best in the final attacks / sprints.

[TobinHatesYou]

You don't actually believe the bike had anything to do with that do you?

Also there are other races besides the 2022 mens TDF lol

Think about it like this. Would you rather have a free +5W at 45km/h and way more than that at sprint speeds...or would you rather have -500 to -800 grams on a flat, rolling, or front-loaded hilly -> flat finish stage? It takes a ~6% grade for 1kg to equate to 5W. On flat ground a 5W difference at 45km/h is equivalent to and 11-12kg weight difference

[spartacus]

You don't actually believe the bike had anything to do with that do you?

Also there are other races besides the 2022 mens TDF lol

Think about it like this. Would you rather have a free +5W at 45km/h and way more than that at sprint speeds...or would you rather have -500 to -800 grams on a flat, rolling, or front-loaded hilly -> flat finish stage? It takes a ~6% grade for 1kg to equate to 5W. On flat ground a 5W difference at 45km/h is equivalent to and 11-12kg weight difference

I didn't say aero doesn't matter I'm just saying I don't think the outcome of the race was because of any theoretical difference between bikes.