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I regularly listen to The Move. Its not the first time he’s been on. I think it’s great for the NA audience because it’s presented in a way that you don’t have to be a hardcore cycling enthusiast to follow cycling. I understand a lot of people have strong opinions about LA. I don’t. If Cav’s career is negatively affected by being associated with LA I think that speaks more to how messed up cycling is. I mean, we just had a pages long discussion about assaulting 13y/o girls….
Nope, nothing. The only news was that he got dropped from the teamjcrr wrote:Do any of the EU WWs have any intel on the Toon Aerts' saga?
has QS ever had a reason to boss SKY that is the question. with a sure GC contender, and their best riders on the roster, it would be a completely different case.spud wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:27 pmI don't think Ineos/Sky EVER got bossed by Quickstep in the cross winds in a tour stage. To the extent it ever happened to Jumbo, it's because Roglic was sleeping in the bunch too far back. When you look at this year's tour, look at the two times Vingegaard took time out of Pogacar - once with Roglic one-timing him, and another when WVA drilled it so hard that Pogacar cracked. Evenpoel is really good, but I don't see him cracking those two guys in a climb. GC Teams need at least 2 really good climbers to support the leader since it's inevitable that one of them will have an off day at some point. Look at UAE, they've got 3 guys that, on their day, can stay with the leader late into a stage. Those guys don't win a ton of races, and I doubt they come cheap.tymon_tm wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:01 pmGTs aren't won only in the highest mountains. take those windy rolling stages, where you can "easily" put a minute or two on your rivals provided you've got a proper horsepower at your disposal. arguably in most of these situations we've witnessed, it was impossible to make most of it, as big teams focus on climber-domestiques, and riders they have for pulling on flats, are nowhere near the names Remco can count on. IMHO QS can outgun others by a country mile if an opportunity presents itself.spud wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:53 pmre team Quickstep, they have always won a lot of races. My impression is that to field a Tour winning squad, you have to invest a lot of money in people who don't win a lot of races ie really good climbers or TT riders but not the very best. When the climbing stages whittle down to 8-10 people, only the very best/deepest teams will have more than guy in it. Will Lefevere be able to handle spending big $ and not getting wins regularly?
also, remember how Sky used to burn some of the best riders on the planet for their leaders? if Kwiato at his prime could sacrifice himself, so can e.g. Alaphilippe. of course the question remains if it even makes sense for Remco to do the Tour so early. but if they chose to, QS already has more than a decent squad. where they lack in climbing, they make up in sheer strenght and experience, something money can't buy that easily.
it's getting less and less likely, although he might always have a shot at Vuelta..robbosmans wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 pmRoglic wont win a grand tour againLedZeppelin007 wrote:Remco will get crushed by Pog, healthy Rog, and JV at the TdF.
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exactly this. singling out LA as the sole villain (or Valverde for that matter, there's at least a page-long name calling when his name's mentioned in a positive context) or looking for some conspiracy behing simple truths (like the fact some pros are just buddies or friends with each other) is unbecoming to anyone, who reads more than headlines. and if one does limit himself to those, WW is probably not a place for him to try and have an adult conversation.Orbital wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:53 amI regularly listen to The Move. Its not the first time he’s been on. I think it’s great for the NA audience because it’s presented in a way that you don’t have to be a hardcore cycling enthusiast to follow cycling. I understand a lot of people have strong opinions about LA. I don’t. If Cav’s career is negatively affected by being associated with LA I think that speaks more to how messed up cycling is. I mean, we just had a pages long discussion about assaulting 13y/o girls….
Wasn't there a stage of the TdF where Cav actually brought Froome across a gap due to crosswinds? Cav ended up winning the stage with Froome putting bags of time into Nairoman.spud wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:27 pmI don't think Ineos/Sky EVER got bossed by Quickstep in the cross winds in a tour stage. To the extent it ever happened to Jumbo, it's because Roglic was sleeping in the bunch too far back. When you look at this year's tour, look at the two times Vingegaard took time out of Pogacar - once with Roglic one-timing him, and another when WVA drilled it so hard that Pogacar cracked. Evenpoel is really good, but I don't see him cracking those two guys in a climb. GC Teams need at least 2 really good climbers to support the leader since it's inevitable that one of them will have an off day at some point. Look at UAE, they've got 3 guys that, on their day, can stay with the leader late into a stage. Those guys don't win a ton of races, and I doubt they come cheap.tymon_tm wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:01 pmGTs aren't won only in the highest mountains. take those windy rolling stages, where you can "easily" put a minute or two on your rivals provided you've got a proper horsepower at your disposal. arguably in most of these situations we've witnessed, it was impossible to make most of it, as big teams focus on climber-domestiques, and riders they have for pulling on flats, are nowhere near the names Remco can count on. IMHO QS can outgun others by a country mile if an opportunity presents itself.spud wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:53 pmre team Quickstep, they have always won a lot of races. My impression is that to field a Tour winning squad, you have to invest a lot of money in people who don't win a lot of races ie really good climbers or TT riders but not the very best. When the climbing stages whittle down to 8-10 people, only the very best/deepest teams will have more than guy in it. Will Lefevere be able to handle spending big $ and not getting wins regularly?
also, remember how Sky used to burn some of the best riders on the planet for their leaders? if Kwiato at his prime could sacrifice himself, so can e.g. Alaphilippe. of course the question remains if it even makes sense for Remco to do the Tour so early. but if they chose to, QS already has more than a decent squad. where they lack in climbing, they make up in sheer strenght and experience, something money can't buy that easily.
No. Cavendish only rode one season with Sky which was the Wiggins TdF year.
2014 TDF.MichaelK wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:59 amWasn't there a stage of the TdF where Cav actually brought Froome across a gap due to crosswinds? Cav ended up winning the stage with Froome putting bags of time into Nairoman.spud wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:27 pmI don't think Ineos/Sky EVER got bossed by Quickstep in the cross winds in a tour stage. To the extent it ever happened to Jumbo, it's because Roglic was sleeping in the bunch too far back. When you look at this year's tour, look at the two times Vingegaard took time out of Pogacar - once with Roglic one-timing him, and another when WVA drilled it so hard that Pogacar cracked. Evenpoel is really good, but I don't see him cracking those two guys in a climb. GC Teams need at least 2 really good climbers to support the leader since it's inevitable that one of them will have an off day at some point. Look at UAE, they've got 3 guys that, on their day, can stay with the leader late into a stage. Those guys don't win a ton of races, and I doubt they come cheap.tymon_tm wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:01 pmGTs aren't won only in the highest mountains. take those windy rolling stages, where you can "easily" put a minute or two on your rivals provided you've got a proper horsepower at your disposal. arguably in most of these situations we've witnessed, it was impossible to make most of it, as big teams focus on climber-domestiques, and riders they have for pulling on flats, are nowhere near the names Remco can count on. IMHO QS can outgun others by a country mile if an opportunity presents itself.spud wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:53 pmre team Quickstep, they have always won a lot of races. My impression is that to field a Tour winning squad, you have to invest a lot of money in people who don't win a lot of races ie really good climbers or TT riders but not the very best. When the climbing stages whittle down to 8-10 people, only the very best/deepest teams will have more than guy in it. Will Lefevere be able to handle spending big $ and not getting wins regularly?
also, remember how Sky used to burn some of the best riders on the planet for their leaders? if Kwiato at his prime could sacrifice himself, so can e.g. Alaphilippe. of course the question remains if it even makes sense for Remco to do the Tour so early. but if they chose to, QS already has more than a decent squad. where they lack in climbing, they make up in sheer strenght and experience, something money can't buy that easily.
Also not a GT but Stannard at Omloop Het Nieuwsblad in 2015. Absolutely bossed QS trio of Terpstra, Boonen and Vendenbergh.
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tymon_tm wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:35 am
exactly this. singling out LA as the sole villain (or Valverde for that matter, there's at least a page-long name calling when his name's mentioned in a positive context) or looking for some conspiracy behing simple truths (like the fact some pros are just buddies or friends with each other) is unbecoming to anyone, who reads more than headlines. and if one does limit himself to those, WW is probably not a place for him to try and have an adult conversation.
2014 Cav abandoned after the crash on Stage 1. May have been 2013, maybe stage 5 perhaps?