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CrankAddictsRich wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 1:20 pm

They can wheelie, many of them also ride offroad and excel in conditions where traction is limited.

Those things come from practice. No one was born knowing how to wheelie. No one was born with a mountain bike or CX bike attached to them. Off road racing puts a premium on bike handling and cornering skills every time you race - hence people with off road backgrounds have spent more time practicing it.

I will say though, that it is clear that some pro cyclists have never learned what a racing line is through a series of turns. They make lack that gifted ability, but it is clear they've also not taken the time to learn the basics.

I don't think that's true at all these days. Understanding a racing line isn't rocket surgery. As I said before, there are numerous reasons why someone who knows what the best line should be will be too unsettled to actually use it effectively.

tymon_tm wrote: ↑

Wed May 25, 2022 10:56 am

can we please take a moment to give a round of applause to Alejandro Valverde, aged 42, 10th overall, and Vincenzo Nibali, aged 37, currently 5th.


I don't really care that much who wins this race, but I sure would love these two to remain in top 10. Valverde is a living and racing statue, he's been in the peloton for like forever, he's won a bunch, and I kinda feel like if it hasn't been for that dog of his, he would've been an icon today.. nevertheless, he's a truly remarkable athlete, makes me wanna put his poster over my bed

Hear Hear !

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micky wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 1:45 pm

Almeida out due to covid.

Man sorry to hear this!

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 6:52 am

Karvalo wrote: Cunego??

Oops. Forgot about his admission.

But if he hadn't admitted it you'd be convinced he was clean? Despite winning a grand tour during the Armstrong era and being involved in the Lampre affair?

No. I was only remembering the smiley “tattoo” while typing on the Tube. I was the miserable sod pouring scorn on Uniballer’s exploits in 98-09, as well as being the smug sod in the wake of USADA’s reveal.


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ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 5:59 am

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 6:52 am

Karvalo wrote: Cunego??

Oops. Forgot about his admission.

But if he hadn't admitted it you'd be convinced he was clean? Despite winning a grand tour during the Armstrong era and being involved in the Lampre affair?

No. I was only remembering the smiley “tattoo” while typing on the Tube.

So you thought he was clean because he said so?

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 5:59 am

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 6:52 am

Oops. Forgot about his admission.

But if he hadn't admitted it you'd be convinced he was clean? Despite winning a grand tour during the Armstrong era and being involved in the Lampre affair?

No. I was only remembering the smiley “tattoo” while typing on the Tube.

So you thought he was clean because he said so?

Learn to bloody read troll.


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ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 7:20 am

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 5:59 am

Karvalo wrote: But if he hadn't admitted it you'd be convinced he was clean? Despite winning a grand tour during the Armstrong era and being involved in the Lampre affair?

No. I was only remembering the smiley “tattoo” while typing on the Tube.

So you thought he was clean because he said so?

Learn to bloody read troll.

Wow you really hate being wrong, eh?

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 7:20 am

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 5:59 am

No. I was only remembering the smiley “tattoo” while typing on the Tube.

So you thought he was clean because he said so?

Learn to bloody read troll.

Wow you really hate being wrong, eh?

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 7:20 am

Karvalo wrote:

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 5:59 am

No. I was only remembering the smiley “tattoo” while typing on the Tube.

So you thought he was clean because he said so?

Learn to bloody read troll.

Wow you really hate being wrong, eh?

No. I made a mistake while typing a post and owned it when it was pointed out. You seem to have to harp on afterwards. So, pretty please, jog on.


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One of the most exciting finishes to a GT stage and we are banging on about who won what, taking what, almost 20 years ago

Really wanted to see a sprint finish yesterday but hats off to the break, they never lost faith in each other until they had the time to do so.

jasjas wrote:One of the most exciting finishes to a GT stage and we are banging on about who won what, taking what, almost 20 years ago

Really wanted to see a sprint finish yesterday but hats off to the break, they never lost faith in each other until they had the time to do so.

Sorry!

Good to see the trains derailed.


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Not having a go at all... its a great discussion to have.

The folk driving the chase must have been putting out serious watts in the last 7 or 8km, they decimated the peloton, QS seemed to be doing the bulk, with others saving themselves for the non sprint lol!

Karvalo wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 4:29 pm

CrankAddictsRich wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 1:20 pm

They can wheelie, many of them also ride offroad and excel in conditions where traction is limited.

Those things come from practice. No one was born knowing how to wheelie. No one was born with a mountain bike or CX bike attached to them. Off road racing puts a premium on bike handling and cornering skills every time you race - hence people with off road backgrounds have spent more time practicing it.

Somebody ( ex pro, might have been Nathan Haas) mentioned this last year in the Giro, in regards to Bernal looking completely natural on the gravel stage, and how he positioned himself. If you start your racing off road, you've got a sense of grip, loss of grip, the bike moving around under you.....

I'd love to see Bernal in a climber friendly MTB World Cup.....

Karvalo wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 4:29 pm

CrankAddictsRich wrote: ↑

Thu May 26, 2022 1:20 pm

They can wheelie, many of them also ride offroad and excel in conditions where traction is limited.

Those things come from practice. No one was born knowing how to wheelie. No one was born with a mountain bike or CX bike attached to them. Off road racing puts a premium on bike handling and cornering skills every time you race - hence people with off road backgrounds have spent more time practicing it.

I will say though, that it is clear that some pro cyclists have never learned what a racing line is through a series of turns. They make lack that gifted ability, but it is clear they've also not taken the time to learn the basics.

I don't think that's true at all these days. Understanding a racing line isn't rocket surgery. As I said before, there are numerous reasons why someone who knows what the best line should be will be too unsettled to actually use it effectively.

For sure, you can practice those skills, but there's also an innate sense of balance that is just present in some people. I've learned to wheelie and on a good day I can maybe go 20-30', but I have a friend who can be off his bike for a year and as soon as he gets on it, he can wheelie it down the street. He's always had an amazing sense of balance. As a kid, he could ride a unicycle around the neighborhood, then when we got motorcycles and dirt bikes he could wheelie those. I've gone through some race driving instruction, I understand the racing line and it the instruction definitely made me faster, but I also realize that there's some "sense" that 'm lacking that the BEST race drivers have.

You're right that the racing line is not rocket science.... which is why it is crystal clear that some racers have no understanding of even the basics. You are right that may are plenty of times that using the dieal racing line isn't the best option, but when you're watching a group go down a descent and 4 of the riders use the ideal racing line and gap the 5th who is all over the road, that's not really the case.

ultimobici wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 7:40 am

Wow you really hate being wrong, eh?

No. I made a mistake while typing a post and owned it when it was pointed out.
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Doesn't really seem like you owned it very much when you're still denying everything and saying I'm not reading your post properly. If you've owned that you were totally wrong about him why can't you let this go?

CrankAddictsRich wrote: ↑

Fri May 27, 2022 1:16 pm

[I've gone through some race driving instruction, I understand the racing line and it the instruction definitely made me faster, but I also realize that there's some "sense" that 'm lacking that the BEST race drivers have.

The BEST racing drivers didn't have the senses they have now after just 'some' race driving instruction. They have it after years of practice driving, racing and progressing.

And yes, there is a level where some people have the capacity to be great and others don't - but we're talking about basic competence and that can be taught. The gap between a great and average racing driver is a second a lap and some of that is innate. Bad descenders are losing a couple of seconds per corner - as long as you catch them before they've had such a bad crash that the confidence will never rebuild you caan absolutely teach them to do better than that.

You're right that the racing line is not rocket science.... which is why it is crystal clear that some racers have no understanding of even the basics. You are right that may are plenty of times that using the dieal racing line isn't the best option, but when you're watching a group go down a descent and 4 of the riders use the ideal racing line and gap the 5th who is all over the road, that's not really the case.

That's not what I said. I said there are reasons why riders who don't properly practice descending won't take the lines they know are best. I mean think about what you're saying here - you think the 5th guy in line is too stupid to even understand that he could simply follow the wheel tracks of the riders in front? Of course not, there's obviously something else going on.

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