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by jlok

Look at the snake barrier.... maybe there's actually no route...
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2nd part of the VAyer-Festinaboy doping hoax

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by maquisard

Vayer is probably one of the biggest embarrassments on twitter... closely followed by fellow idiots @naichacacycling and @cyclinggraphs and their comically amateurish Watt Police podcast

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by blaugrana

The whole story is nuts, but the most obvious red flag is the motor with energy regeneration under braking. The physics for that simply don't add up, as there is barely any braking in pro cycling. And even then, you would have to make the system ultra light, and hide it inside a bicycle. There is no way anyone has made a system like that with a performance benefit: If you are going to cheat with motors anyway, it would make more sense to put that extra weight towards more battery capacity.

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maquisard wrote:
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:27 am
Karvalo wrote:
Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:40 am
The problem is the commissaires almost always issue sanctions based on outcomes, not actions. If Ewan or Sagan had crashed, WvA probably gets relegated for the exact same move. Without a crash, the deviation has to be absolutely crazy before they'll bother getting involved.
Agree - the sanctions are not consistent and only happen if there is a bad outcome
Immediately following the Groenewegen/Jakobsen crash, I felt like the commisaires were policing it pretty hard, but as time has passed, they seem to have forgotten and now people are weaving back and forth. WVA's move wasn't dramatic, but he was certainly pushing to the side to close that lane, if not to block someone, then to simply force anyone that wanted to come around him to one side... either way, it is a violation, but we probably will continue to see it get worse until there's another big crash.

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by maquisard

The major issue with the Groenewegen/Jakobsen crash was that the course was incredibly dangerous. In that instance Groenewegen was a contributor to the crash, however it is perfectly possible that the same crash, or worse could have happened without a clash during a sprint. A course should simply not have the hazards present that caused Jakobsen to be injured in the way he was. It should be possible to come down and not risk death.

The course designers should have faced a civil action from Jakobsen, not Groenewegen.

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maquisard wrote:
Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:18 pm
The major issue with the Groenewegen/Jakobsen crash was that the course was incredibly dangerous. In that instance Groenewegen was a contributor to the crash, however it is perfectly possible that the same crash, or worse could have happened without a clash during a sprint. A course should simply not have the hazards present that caused Jakobsen to be injured in the way he was. It should be possible to come down and not risk death.

The course designers should have faced a civil action from Jakobsen, not Groenewegen.
100% agreed.

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micky wrote:
Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:11 pm
Valverde ended involved in a crash after a 69 years old driver in a car used the brakes in front of Valverde training group on purpose to make them crash.
The story is a bit blurry, but it seems the man has been arrested and luckily no serious injuries for Valverde and his mates.
Jeez that is terrible!
I had only heard it was hit & run
Thanks for the update

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by AJS914

pastronef wrote:
Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:48 pm
2nd part of the VAyer-Festinaboy doping hoax

https://incyclingveritas.wordpress.com/

I'm reading this as entertainment. It's hard to believe that it's all true but it's a fun tale.

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BdaGhisallo wrote:
Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:44 pm
maquisard wrote:
Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:18 pm
The major issue with the Groenewegen/Jakobsen crash was that the course was incredibly dangerous. In that instance Groenewegen was a contributor to the crash, however it is perfectly possible that the same crash, or worse could have happened without a clash during a sprint. A course should simply not have the hazards present that caused Jakobsen to be injured in the way he was. It should be possible to come down and not risk death.

The course designers should have faced a civil action from Jakobsen, not Groenewegen.
100% agreed.
Respectfully but firmly disagree, and have since the incident. I edit to re-emphasize "respectfully," which reflects the respect I have for this site and the posters.

Unlike yesterday’s finish, where even as a Sagan fan (see avatar) there wasn’t anything out of the ordinary (and even I think it cheeky for Sagan of all riders to complain), Groeenewegen’s sideways move was obvious, egregious, and more than just negligent. That the barriers were suboptimal does not excuse Gruenewagen; at most in a civil suit it would (might) reduce his damages. He bears the legal risk of the effect of the barriers into which he drove Jakobsen.

Adding: as a corollary, I didn't have problems with the Jakobsen comments I read. Indeed I thought them measured, as he did not deny Groenewegen his triumph.
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by tymon_tm

the barriers and whole finish design (high speed, downhill straight) contributed to Jakobsen's injuries, but haven't caused them in the first place - Groenwegen has. his move was intentional and nothing short of lethal

but when we're talking sprinting, the straight line rule should be abided for a reason - the difference between intentional and unintentional is often thin and blurred. that WVA's sprint is a great example - started his sprint close to the middle of the road, and gradualy moved towards his right in few more or less decisive swings. Sagz had every right to take that route along the barriers, as it was initially clear and open. of course, comparing WVA's move to Groenwegen is plain stupid, but same mechanics apply - by swinging from one side to other they both *wanted* to make overtaking them virtually impossible.

same offence, different exectution, totally different outcome. but the rules were broken nonetheless.
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by maquisard

That was an impressive stage victory! Perfect setup

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Total baller.

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Cobbles tomorrow. Time for MVdP to show? He's been under the radar so far, unwell?
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Remember he's coming off the back of the Giro

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