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spud
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by spud

^ think Lopez is going to dig into his own pocket to pay his teamates their split on what he would have earned with a 10th place finish? Domestics rely on multiple sources of income since their wages are not huge.

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by nulldreiundreissig

robbosmans wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:51 pm
Evenepoel = Aero
Yet Küng managed to beat both Remco and Ganna today. Congratulations to him. I'm really looking forward to the worlds on a longer Parcours.

BTW I always find it fascinating how different (almost) equally fast people look on the bike. Küng and Ganna's positions are just beautiful. Remco not so much...

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by ave

Yep, pure power still wins.
But power guys need to be aero too! Look at Janos Pelikan's 447W, which was only enough for 49.8 km/h average, while the U23 champion (Johan Price-Pejtersen) did almost the same Watts (437W) but averaged 52.6 km/h!! (They are similar builds.)
(Data from strava segment)

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DISC BRAKES SUCKS! At least Movistar Team says that :)


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by maquisard

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/if-you ... lingworth/

The Ellingworth effect, Sir Brailsford would be more ruthless and dump the failing Thomas as he did (correctly) with Froome.

Ineos seems a teem inconfusion at the moment - and seems because the reduced role of Sir Brailsford due to health issues.

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by pastronef

maquisard wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:59 am
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/if-you ... lingworth/

The Ellingworth effect, Sir Brailsford would be more ruthless and dump the failing Thomas as he did (correctly) with Froome.

Ineos seems a teem inconfusion at the moment - and seems because the reduced role of Sir Brailsford due to health issues.
Thomas always been there and dates back to the first big successes of british Cycling on the track. experience is also needed in a team, not just wins. I hope he stays there and turn to cobbles again.
Ineos even without Sir Dave have won Giro, podiumed Tour, 4th Vuelta, have an olympic champion (Ganna too), won Catalunya, Romandie, etc, have.
more wins than confusion, that´s for sure. and the future looks bright and it´s great

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by maquisard

Sir Brailsford was not a sentimental fool and ditched the faltering Wiggins and Froome when the time was right. Both great champions, but their time had come. Thomas needs to leave and be replaced with new talents.

Ineos have under-performed this season. They have the highest budget in the sport and have failed to deliver to previous standards. The future looks uncertain and the multiple leader strategy has been a massive failure.

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by smartyiak

This: ...won Giro, podiumed Tour, 4th Vuelta, have an olympic champion (Ganna too), won Catalunya, Romandie, etc, have.

suggests this:
[quote=maquisard post_id=1702057 time=1631271584 user_id=8722}
Ineos have under-performed this season.
[/quote]

is incorrect.

Unless the ONLY measure of success is winning the Tdf. Then every year they don't win in France is a failure...that doesn't make any sense. I know you hate INEOS, but c'mon, be realistic.

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by smartyiak

This: ...won Giro, podiumed Tour, 4th Vuelta, have an olympic champion (Ganna too), won Catalunya, Romandie, etc, have.

suggests this:
maquisard wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:59 am
Ineos have under-performed this season.
is incorrect.

Unless the ONLY measure of success is winning the Tdf. Then every year they don't win in France is a failure...that doesn't make any sense. I know you hate INEOS, but c'mon, be realistic.

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by maquisard

Giro - good win by Bernal,
podiumed Tour - no stage wins, very poor for Ineos
Vuelta - but no stage wins and lost the white jersey
olympic champon - olympics have nothing to do with trade teams, especially true of Ganna on track
won Catalunya, Romandie - good wins

I am merely agree with the viewpoint of Sir Wiggins and other experts. Ineos started season strongly and then faded. The multi-leader strategy at the Tour and Vuelta was a massive failure. They need to reset strategy and team members over the winter.

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by AJS914

Wasn't Wiggins let go because he was a problem child and PITA? My understanding is that Froome could have stayed but he wanted to be a leader. Thomas is the perfect Sky/Ineos team mate. He's willing to slot back into the super domestique role at the drop of a hat. He doesn't seem to have the ego of Froome or Wiggins.

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by OnTheRivet

This says a lot more about Movistar than it does about Lopez. Vincente Garcia Acosta is a child and needs to be replaced.

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by OnTheRivet

cveks wrote:
Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:32 am
DISC BRAKES SUCKS! At least Movistar Team says that :)

It's like when computers came into engineering, all the old guys couldn't/wouldn't adapt, some even took early retirement. They need to recruit some young World Cup mountainbike mechanics who actually know what they are doing with disc brakes. This is the same technology that the best mountainbikers (XC/Enduro/DH) have zero issues with yet these geezers on Movistar can't figure them out. Shit I'll give them a tutorial on SRAM and Shimano brakes. Recently replaced/bled over a dozen bikes in the last year for friends because of the back up at the shops.

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Movistar is the worst team in pro cycling, good riders with terrible tactics and guidance. Doesn’t deserve a world tour license

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by Karvalo

maquisard wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:13 pm
In truth, Bennett is racing for the Irish when he said he cannot race for DQS due to injury. Lefevere has rights to be angry.
In truth, you have absolutely no reason to say that's the truth. All we know Bennett said is that he couldn't race the Tour because of injury, and the Tour was months ago. Time passes, people get better - that's not an unprecedented situation, is it now Maq?

The only information we have on Bennett's situation since then ha come from Lefevre, and we know that he has given at least some false information to the public because he has flat out contradicted himself in successive columns.

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