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AJS914
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by AJS914

This story is kind of dumb. Probably, the lawyers got back to JV and told him that he couldn't summarily cancel a contract for a small infraction and if he did, it would be litigated and cost him more in legal fees than the salary.

That video though is awesome. You often don't get to see just how fast these guys are compared to mere mortals.

https://twitter.com/DoCiclismo/status/1 ... 3882138630

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by eins4eins

fullgas sprinting Pros vs steadily pedaling amateurs. great comparison.

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by BenSiskri

Dan Gerous wrote:
Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:03 pm
Contracts should go from November 1st to October 31st of the following year, more in line with the racing season. The calendar year contracts make no sense, even worse for cyclocross with switches right in the middle of the season, although more and more CX team have now changed to contracts starting/ending at the end of February now.
Yes, I always found this mad; race on the 30th December for Team X on a Canydley; then on the 1st Jan race for Team Z on a Cervianchi........ Though as you say, recently, it's changed. Pidcock raced the whole of last winter for Trinity on Specialized, and switched to Ineos, Pinarello from Feb (originally 1st March).
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eins4eins wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:40 am
fullgas sprinting Pros vs steadily pedaling amateurs. great comparison.
Isnt that the point? Those 'steadily pedalling' amateurs are on their sustainable limit. If they tried to sprint off it they'd only be able to hold it for a few seconds and then would be going significantly slower to recover. The difference between that and what the pros are doing is a great comparison.

AJS914
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by AJS914

The video was fun. One doesn't have to over think it!

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by jever98

@AJS914: what basis is there for that conjecture?

These types of letters get sent by lawyers, because it's a legal thing.
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AJS914
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by AJS914

Just my speculation. Vaughters though was communicating this through the court of social media rather than through lawyers. In a normal world, the boss doesn't post on social media but calls the rider or the lawyers call his agent or whatever and we never hear about it.

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by Willier

The old contracts should end on October 31st an new ones start on November 1sr. Problem solved

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by jever98

AJS914 wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:14 pm
Just my speculation. Vaughters though was communicating this through the court of social media rather than through lawyers. In a normal world, the boss doesn't post on social media but calls the rider or the lawyers call his agent or whatever and we never hear about it.
Errrr.... before judging, did you actually read his twitter feed?

He tweeted about it after the resolution, not before.

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/14 ... 1811477507
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by TobinHatesYou

Dan Gerous wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:32 am
I guess they didn't learn to keep it private: "Lawson Craddock also sent contract termination letter after bike breach".
Over the weekend suggests the same timeframe, we're just learning about this one a day later.

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by maquisard

EF and Cannondale are looking like fools

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by BdaGhisallo

maquisard wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:27 am
EF and Cannondale are looking like fools
They have obviously never heard of the Streisand Effect.

AJS914
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by AJS914

jever98 wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:48 pm
Errrr.... before judging

Errrrrrrrr ...... how is this a story in Cyclingnews when it should be an employer-employee private communication?

Why do you care so much to defend EF? They look dumb. It should have been a phone call to the riders from JV and no more than that.

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by Mr.Gib

AJS914 wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:16 pm
jever98 wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:48 pm
Errrr.... before judging

Errrrrrrrr ...... how is this a story in Cyclingnews when it should be an employer-employee private communication?

Why do you care so much to defend EF? They look dumb. It should have been a phone call to the riders from JV and no more than that.
No one should be surprised, disappointed, upset, etc. at the chaos in the business of pro cycling. I think the mistake we too often make is assuming that because someone has physiological gifts that made them a fast cyclist at some point in their lives, that they should also be capable of running a business, managing people, etc. Looking at the behaviour of many team managers, DS's, indicate they haven't got the slightest clue of what real leadership involves. The one thing they seem to have in common is a dangerous combination of ego and ignorance. I do feel for the young riders who are often left to their own devices when dealing with this crap and are themselves ill equipped to handle some of these situations.

Could you imagine working for Patrick Lefevere? :shock:
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