2021 PRO thread

[robbosmans]

What do you mean? Sam Gaze races MTB for Alpecin Fenix

[Karvalo]

Did something happen between them before the brake check?

Was not permitted to go on a break and kept getting pulled back by the group...as silly as that water bottle spraying incident at the 2016? World Championships...

As dumb as federovs reaction not being allowed to breakaway from that far out.. Is the decision not to let a nobody to go on a breakaway from that far out.

That's not a very sound understanding of peloton psychology. At some point the peloton has to say 'enough' and it doesn't matter who's attacking. If you let Fedorov go then someone else will see that attacks are still being allowed and he'll go next. If it's another nobody do you have to let him go too? Ok, so someone else sees that and he goes as well! Now you've suddenly got an extra 3 people up the road even though your DS has already told you the break is big enough, and there are 50 more 'nobodies' still fighting for position around you because they still think they might be allowed to go too.

You might think Fedorov is just a nobody, but in the context of the race it still matters whether or not you let him go.

[Kjetil]

Putting this here because I fukcin' hate racists.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nacer- ... ut-racism/

[Karvalo]

Great news for Julien Vermote.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/julien ... cin-fenix/

Aplecin-Fenix just got stronger and wiser.
BTW, anybody knows why Sam Gaze never came aboard?

A bad head injury and subsequent depression pretty much wiped out his 2019 and 2020 seasons from what I understand.

[Karvalo]

Apparently the UCI also DQd someone at GP Indurain for dropping a wrapper while trying to put it back in their pocket 2021 is going to be a great year for PR consultants in Lucerne!

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kyle-m ... l-wrapper/

[Dan Gerous]

Did something happen between them before the brake check?

Was not permitted to go on a break and kept getting pulled back by the group...as silly as that water bottle spraying incident at the 2016? World Championships...

As dumb as federovs reaction not being allowed to breakaway from that far out.. Is the decision not to let a nobody to go on a breakaway from that far out.

That's not a very sound understanding of peloton psychology. At some point the peloton has to say 'enough' and it doesn't matter who's attacking. If you let Fedorov go then someone else will see that attacks are still being allowed and he'll go next. If it's another nobody do you have to let him go too? Ok, so someone else sees that and he goes as well! Now you've suddenly got an extra 3 people up the road even though your DS has already told you the break is big enough, and there are 50 more 'nobodies' still fighting for position around you because they still think they might be allowed to go too.

You might think Fedorov is just a nobody, but in the context of the race it still matters whether or not you let him go.

Federov also had a teammate already in the break, the peloton prefers having only one per team in the break as to not risk one of the two working while the other 'rests' then goes for it late when the others are cooked and the peloton is closing, that can make it harder to control when the peloton is starting to have fewer gregarios, even if the two teammates are relative nobodies.

[Maddie]

They didn't dqf annemiek van vleuten who threw a bottle in a non-litter-zone as well. And do you think the likes of JA, WVA and MVDP et.al. would be dqf-ed for doing the same? 100% they wouldn't be...

[Raimundo]

Great news for Julien Vermote.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/julien ... cin-fenix/

Aplecin-Fenix just got stronger and wiser.
BTW, anybody knows why Sam Gaze never came aboard?

A bad head injury and subsequent depression pretty much wiped out his 2019 and 2020 seasons from what I understand.

Thanks Karvalo, indeed, that was some dark period for him from what i just read, i won't even put up a link about this...

Apparently he still was able to remain in the Alpecin-Fenix squad, albeit the development part of the team. Not all is lost than.

The guy that ended Nino's monster winning streak, will surely bounce back this season, in no time he will be up there with the best. I still believe he has a great potencial as a classics rider/rouleur.

[Karvalo]

Apparently he still was able to remain in the Alpecin-Fenix squad, albeit the development part of the team. Not all is lost than.

The guy that ended Nino's monster winning streak, will surely bounce back this season, in no time he will be up there with the best. I still believe he has a great potencial as a classics rider/rouleur.

I hope so, the guy's an absolute monster. No idea what he's like on longer races but anyone who could outsprint MvDP has to be taken seriously!

[Geoff]

This is exactly right: https://www.instagram.com/p/CNRl0X8Adjr ... _copy_link

[ave]

>They didn't dqf annemiek van vleuten who threw a bottle in a non-litter-zone as well.
Where was that?

[sychen]

>They didn't dqf annemiek van vleuten who threw a bottle in a non-litter-zone as well.
Where was that?

https://youtu.be/KiO1re0DYSg

Covered on some Twitter thread and also above by lantern Rouge podcast.

Last night stage 2 Basques country.. 1 Roglic and 2 McNulty in gc should have according to uci be DQed.

Roglic tosses a bottle at 31km and McNulty puppy paws it to reach the breakaway.

Uci now have dug them selves a hole. I wonder if the riders are calling their bluff.

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[Raimundo]

What do you mean? Sam Gaze races MTB for Alpecin Fenix

? Did you saw him racing in 2020?

Last time i heard about him (end of 2019 or beginning of 2020, don't remember correctly anymore) he already had a contract with AF, and the big news was that he would be reinforcing the road classics squad in 2021.

He would also be MVDP partner in MTB, but i never saw him at all anymore... was he in any XCO race last year with the AF jersey?

I might have missed a XCO race last summer if any, but i have no brain picture of him riding for AF in the reduced (covid19) WC circuit 2020. And what Karvalo points at actually explains why i never saw him again...

Either way, if you know any XCO race he did in 2020 feel free to tell me which one so i can watch it at RedbullTV

[Dan Gerous]

What do you mean? Sam Gaze races MTB for Alpecin Fenix

? Did you saw him racing in 2020?

Last time i heard about him (end of 2019 or beginning of 2020, don't remember correctly anymore) he already had a contract with AF, and the big news was that he would be reinforcing the road classics squad in 2021.

He would also be MVDP partner in MTB, but i never saw him at all anymore... was he in any XCO race last year with the AF jersey?

I might have missed a XCO race last summer if any, but i have no brain picture of him riding for AF in the reduced (covid19) WC circuit 2020. And what Karvalo points at actually explains why i never saw him again...

Either way, if you know any XCO race he did in 2020 feel free to tell me which one so i can watch it at RedbullTV

It was easy to miss the XCO season last year, every World Cups + Worlds were all compressed into like 2 weeks with so many venues cancelling their races.

[ave]

Regarding Annemiek, there was a soigneur there, it seems she dropped the bottle to him.
Not that it matters, the rule probably doesn't allow even that. Not much difference between a soigneur and a fan in that regard. Perhaps her action wasn't seen by a member of the jury as Schar's was?

>Last night stage 2 Basques country.. 1 Roglic and 2 McNulty in gc should have according to uci be DQed.
Not in stage races.

>McNulty puppy paws it
What does this mean?