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spud wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:01 pm
Leverage for his negotiation with Ineos or a late career cash grab?
Doubt it. Ineos/Sky has always paid people well, and Froom has been making bank there for the past 5 years. I think he's looking at options for sporting reasons: he knows he won't have the team 100% committed to him, for obvious reasons.
he could be testing the waters for sporting reasons too :wink: "if I'm not guaranteed leadership then I will go elsewhere"
AJS914 wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 4:34 pm
What would be Froome's strategy? Sit on the Ineos train and hopefully stay with Bernal ad then beat him in the TTs?
that's how Wiggins did it 8) except, of course, they don't make Tours like that anymore and Froome is 35

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Hmmmm

Chris Froome was “angry” with Ineos management after they didn’t offer an explanation to Egan Bernal’s comments
that he wouldn’t sacrifice himself for a team-mate at the Tour de France if he was on top form.
An anonymous family member of Froome’s told L’Équipe the four-time Tour winner had asked team management
for clarification surrounding Bernal’s comments but did not receive a response.


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Hahahaha. She’s a PR disaster waiting to happen

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Poor Phil Gaimon.. His Everest WR didn't even last a week.

Keegan Swenson beat it by 12 minutes at altitude on pine canyon Rd Utah.



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sychen wrote:Poor Phil Gaimon.. His Everest WR didn't even last a week.

Keegan Swenson beat it by 12 minutes at altitude on pine canyon Rd Utah.



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I saw that. Father Time is undefeated. It’s also the flavor of the moment.


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mcfarton wrote:
sychen wrote:Poor Phil Gaimon.. His Everest WR didn't even last a week.

Keegan Swenson beat it by 12 minutes at altitude on pine canyon Rd Utah.



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I saw that. Father Time is undefeated. It’s also the flavor of the moment.


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Indeed.. Surprised not more pros have attempted it.
Been some spectacular Everest runs recently.

A friend did 6 in 6 weeks.. He's no pro.. Just loves it.

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Swenson's chosen climb is much longer than Gaimon's. The longer distance meant he was able to descent at over 40mph average speed for nearly two miles, and make fewer U-turns at the top and bottom. Swenson was climbing at the same VAM as Gaimon but he won the challenge on the descent. Swenson's climb is at high altitude compared to Gaimon's which was at sea level. At higher altitude you descend faster due to lower air density. Sometimes it takes a bit of 'brain' to break a record. Kudos to Swenson.

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If Swenson only beat Gaimon's record by 12 minutes then new records are going to be broken by smaller and smaller margins.

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pdlpsher1 wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 3:38 am
Swenson's chosen climb is much longer than Gaimon's. The longer distance meant he was able to descent at over 40mph average speed for nearly two miles, and make fewer U-turns at the top and bottom. Swenson was climbing at the same VAM as Gaimon but he won the challenge on the descent. Swenson's climb is at high altitude compared to Gaimon's which was at sea level. At higher altitude you descend faster due to lower air density. Sometimes it takes a bit of 'brain' to break a record. Kudos to Swenson.
You also make less power for the same effort on the climbs too which would outweigh any gains on the downhill
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pdlpsher1 wrote:Swenson's chosen climb is much longer than Gaimon's. The longer distance meant he was able to descent at over 40mph average speed for nearly two miles, and make fewer U-turns at the top and bottom. Swenson was climbing at the same VAM as Gaimon but he won the challenge on the descent. Swenson's climb is at high altitude compared to Gaimon's which was at sea level. At higher altitude you descend faster due to lower air density. Sometimes it takes a bit of 'brain' to break a record. Kudos to Swenson.
This is also a product of their physiology and training.. Phil is a short climb specialist, so went for something that suits him and close by due to pandemic.

Swenson is a offroader.. Tends to specialise in long sustained efforts and will suit a long climb better.
There will be arguments whether oxygen level vs descent speed at altitude.. Would his vam be higher at sea level? Also this climb is near his place of residence .. So doubt it is due to special planning or superior intelligence!

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I do believe that Swenson and Phil are about equal in terms of physical strength. But Swenson won due to the nature of the climb. I do believe the race would be much closer had Gaimon chosen a longer climb. I think Gaimon should do well going up on a longer climb. I do believe that the descent is key since this is a time trial to 29,029 feet. It would be interesting to see if Phil realizes what's happening and decide to make another attempt.

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sychen wrote:
pdlpsher1 wrote:Swenson's chosen climb is much longer than Gaimon's. The longer distance meant he was able to descent at over 40mph average speed for nearly two miles, and make fewer U-turns at the top and bottom. Swenson was climbing at the same VAM as Gaimon but he won the challenge on the descent. Swenson's climb is at high altitude compared to Gaimon's which was at sea level. At higher altitude you descend faster due to lower air density. Sometimes it takes a bit of 'brain' to break a record. Kudos to Swenson.
This is also a product of their physiology and training.. Phil is a short climb specialist, so went for something that suits him and close by due to pandemic.

Swenson is a offroader.. Tends to specialise in long sustained efforts and will suit a long climb better.
There will be arguments whether oxygen level vs descent speed at altitude.. Would his vam be higher at sea level? Also this climb is near his place of residence .. So doubt it is due to special planning or superior intelligence!

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Keegan Swenson’s chosen profession, WC XCO racing, has no climbs longer than 5 minutes at any current venue. Most are half that or less.

So, I’m not sure why you’d say that he specializes in longer climbs.


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Pierre86 wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:06 am

You also make less power for the same effort on the climbs too which would outweigh any gains on the downhill

Reduced aero drag, combined uphill and downhill is more significant than the effective O2 drop. There’s a reason why the hour records are set at altitude. It’s assumed the ideal elevation is around 3000m!

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