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C36
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FYI: preliminary doping investigation open today in Marseille tribunal. Team not yet specified (but we know Quintana’s team hotel has been visited by the police).

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JMeinholdt wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:41 pm
smartyiak wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:34 pm
Me too. I'll be interested in how they address it without using the terms "skeptical," "otherworldly," "Spanish beef," or similar.
Why can't they use those terms? I don't understand why you seem to be so against skepticism. I mean, this is pro cycling after all. If you aren't skeptical of performances that seem too good to be true, then you've been asleep for the last 30+ years.

Kudos to the kid for a great job. But, let's be honest, a lot of people could, and did, say that Lance was the best there ever was until years later when the truth came out.

The kid is special, and I hope it's 100% legit. But I do want this to be vetted thoroughly.
I don't know why you think I'm not skeptical. If it's b/c of:
"I’m sorry you can’t dream big. I’m sorry you don’t believe in miracles." ...that my skeptical joke for the day. It's a line from LA's speech at the TdF podium; it makes me laugh everytime I hear it. I like it better than the "What am I on?" commercial; although that's a classic too. Just like, as much as I loved him as a racer, I cannot hear the name "Contador" without thinking "El Beefador!"

Yes, I am very cynical and (without any evidence whatsoever) I don't believe Poga's is totally clean...not because he won, but b/c he absolutely CRUSHED the entire field. Whenever I see the absolute best in the entire world be totally outclassed, I have to be (at least) a little skeptical.

The terms though...that was my joke on the way a lot of the media never seems to address it...every so often you'll see a former pro like VDV or Horner kinda roll their eyes...but I suspect they'd get fired if they said: yeah, so Contador was doping when he killed it...and Poga's numbers are gonna make him, one of the best racers EVER, look somewhat pedestrian...I don't believe he's clean. But it would be funny they did.

That being said, I do enjoy watching the Tour and found this year's race to be the best in years. I love the spectacle...doping or not.
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Pierre86 wrote:
bilwit wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:34 am
Dumoulin even raising an eyebrow about it:
"My values were World Championship-worthy values. That's great to see," he said. "That's why I was all the more surprised that Pogačar was 1:21 faster.

"I'm sure I can tell you I'm never going to reach that level. I may be able to win one per cent somewhere, but not five per cent."
https://www.cyclingnews.com/amp/news/to ... my-career/

:wink:
Wout the sprinter outclimbed Domoulin as well, no eyebrow raising there?
WvA does not weight that much more than Dumoulin so it's not so that surprising. We knew he is an excellent time trialer. It has become quite unusual for people to compete in the sprints when they are also good climbers, but there are people who could probably take it up with the sprinters after a hard day, e.g. Valverde, Alaphilippe. Sean Kelly won the points qualification at the tour and the general qualification of the Vuelta.

There's actually an interesting coincidence, the last time an Irishman won the green Jersey was 1989, which was also the last time the tour was decided on the last day (I'm not counting the stage to Paris in recent times).

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Unniti wrote:When you look at it this TT wasn't some inhuman effort. We see minute gaps even between good TT guys on flat courses, especially on a third week of a GT. Even Tom has put over a minute on guys like Froome on flat TT courses. It was much more about far superior recon and preparation from UAE compared to TJV. Jumbo didn't even seem to know if switching bikes is faster or not. Tom lost a minute to Porte and 40 seconds to WVA on the climb, were those performances also inhuman.
An uphill TT like this one is actually much more predictable than even a flat TT. The only thing that matters is VAM and we have good ideas about rider weights so we can deduce power numbers in a straight forward manner. Dumoulin getting a minute on Froome is not that surprising, he likely has a higher FTP (and being originally a TT specialist also a better aero position) , but hime outclimbing some of the best climbers is much more surprising.

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Miller wrote:This is all speculation, there is no actual evidence of any foul play. That may change in time, who knows, in the meanwhile these discusssions somewhat poison the atmosphere in here.
Ah yes the "I(he) never tested positive type argument".

On top of that the "we don't want to hear your doubts shut up" that lead to David Walsh being essentially ostracised. The funny thing is that afterwards everyone had known it all along.

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CrankAddictsRich wrote:In other news... during the boradcast on the final day, they wree saying that both Dumoulin and Martin were fined 2000 francs for improper skinsuits in the TT... does anyone else have info? they weren't sure if it had something to do with imporopwer materials or the way sponsors were listed, etc.
That was because of the world champion stripes on the jerseys. They both had long sleeve skinsuits but the rainbowstripes were on the shoulders where theyvwould be for short sleeve jerseys. They should've been on the sleeves at the hands.

It's good to know that the UCI has its priorities right.

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Cycomanic wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:08 pm
Miller wrote:This is all speculation, there is no actual evidence of any foul play. That may change in time, who knows, in the meanwhile these discusssions somewhat poison the atmosphere in here.
Ah yes the "I(he) never tested positive type argument".

On top of that the "we don't want to hear your doubts shut up" that lead to David Walsh being essentially ostracised. The funny thing is that afterwards everyone had known it all along.

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Welp...I guess it's settled then:
New Tour de France champion Tadej Pogacar is “one of a kind” in terms of his ability to recover from gruelling efforts, according to UAE Team Emirates medical director Dr Jeroen Swart.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/202 ... sists-uae/

No more doubts. #amIright????

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C36 wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:24 pm
FYI: preliminary doping investigation open today in Marseille tribunal. Team not yet specified (but we know Quintana’s team hotel has been visited by the police).
Like usual not much happens unless the state (police) gets involved. My theory is that one of the reason for the french not performing as well as some other nations is that the justiciary is quite strict and actually procecuting athletes in France for doping. Athletes are just more careful I guess (not necessarily clean though), things are different if you might have to go to jail.

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It comes from Swart, though.

My take: We don’t know. We might find out.

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It was interesting when they showed Dumoulin and WVA watching the monitor during that ITT while Pogacar was destroying everything in his wake. Even though the two Jumbo riders had masks on you could tell thier jaws were hanging open in total disbelief and when you see two Pros doing that its got to be something special. I have my fingers and toes crossed in the hopes that the performance Pogacar laid down was real. But you know that anyone coming close to 7w for a sustained period of time is an alien. After all Lance always said 7W is what it takes to win the TDF back in the day.
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Cycomanic wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:08 pm
Miller wrote:This is all speculation, there is no actual evidence of any foul play. That may change in time, who knows, in the meanwhile these discusssions somewhat poison the atmosphere in here.
Ah yes the "I(he) never tested positive type argument".

On top of that the "we don't want to hear your doubts shut up" that lead to David Walsh being essentially ostracised. The funny thing is that afterwards everyone had known it all along.

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Kjetil wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:28 pm
It comes from Swart, though.

My take: We don’t know. We might find out.
what does come from Swart?

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pastronef wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:29 pm
Kjetil wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:28 pm
It comes from Swart, though.

My take: We don’t know. We might find out.
what does come from Swart?
This.
smartyiak wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:30 pm
Welp...I guess it's settled then:
New Tour de France champion Tadej Pogacar is “one of a kind” in terms of his ability to recover from gruelling efforts, according to UAE Team Emirates medical director Dr Jeroen Swart.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/202 ... sists-uae/

No more doubts. #amIright????

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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french ... de-france/

Both arrested/detained linked to the "main" rider... Not looking good.

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>... but he seemd just like he would finish a hard set of intrvals with a big dig at the end..
Because it's the same effort! There's no way to push out more Watts than what you can push out. Saving just 10 seconds of your time is just not impossible, if you're maxing yourself out. Still that doesn't mean that you collapse once over the finish line. Fignon "collapsed" very carefully in 1989!

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