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OT: DWR clothing and environmental harm
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If a fabric has no membrane, it needs a DWR applied to shed water.
Some tightly woven fabrics will shed some water without a membrane or DWR, but not very much.
I don’t know, all of their marketing seems to suggest that their wonder material does not require DWS.
For example, here’s an excerpt:
Any jacket can be made waterproof, it is its breathability performance that makes the jacket. I perspire heavily on effort, so keeping comfortable on cold and/or wet winter rides isn’t easy, pushing the limits of any jacket’s moisture management capabilities. Long mountain descents in the winter have always been a case of bracing myself for a lengthy stint of stinging wind chill until the trail heads back up. With the usual waterproof jackets, breathability is significantly compromised once the outer wets out (due to the DWR wearing off). Shakedry removes all of that. As water permanently beads off the jacket’s surface, optimal breathability is constantly maintained and is better than any other jacket I have worn. Mud splatters can simply be wiped off the jacket, wash it occasionally and that’s it. No reproofing required. Genius.
Whilst I don’t know of any rating, from what I’ve heard breathability is superb - the only downside of this material is its fragility. In fact, it would lacerate/damage more easily than others, and Gore goes as far as to suggest you not use a backpack while wearing it.
And of course since there is no outer layer, the jacket offers virtually no warmth, so you’d need to dress accordingly underneath if it’s cold.
Anyway, all in all, it *seems* like Shakedry could be more environmentally friendly than other DWR garments. I wish we could get some official source to comment on this.
I'm very interested. I'd try it out but it only appears to come in black, which is a bit dumb (unless the manufacturing process means it has to be black...).
Ornot has brought out a thing called the magic shell which is apparently a new and updated version of Polartec Neoshell... not sure if the technology is similar. Also only available in black.
If a manufacturer doesn't publish waterproofness and breathability ratings, I'm skeptical.
Ornot has brought out a thing called the magic shell which is apparently a new and updated version of Polartec Neoshell... not sure if the technology is similar. Also only available in black.
If a manufacturer doesn't publish waterproofness and breathability ratings, I'm skeptical.
Yes, the shakedry can't come in other colours (yet) as there's no fabric to dye.
The statement about providing less insulation isnt quite correct, it's the air impermeability of the membrane that keeps you warm, not a fabric layer on the outside. Convection is the dominant heat transfer mechanism not conduction. A fabric layer on the inside can help but few cycling jackets will have that.
I wouldn't be too worried about the fragility of the fabrics, gore has very stringent standards for durability so they are typically talking about years of use with heavy backpacks
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The statement about providing less insulation isnt quite correct, it's the air impermeability of the membrane that keeps you warm, not a fabric layer on the outside. Convection is the dominant heat transfer mechanism not conduction. A fabric layer on the inside can help but few cycling jackets will have that.
I wouldn't be too worried about the fragility of the fabrics, gore has very stringent standards for durability so they are typically talking about years of use with heavy backpacks
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Well, no. It clearly says "NO BACKPACK USAGE" at the bottom of this page. I don't think they'd say it if it could last "years with heavy backpacks".
https://www.gorewear.com/eu/nl-en/gore- ... 00094.html
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I love Patagonia. Their ethos over greed gives me a small glimmer of hope for the ultimate survival of mankind. I've been a supporter of their business ever since I was successful enough to actually buy nice outdoor gear. One of my other passsions is surfing and Patagonia is leading the way in plant based rubber for wetsuits.LouisN wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:24 pmMaybe you should have written in your title the chemicals involved in environmental harm and not the water repelling treatment on garment itself.
For example, here's what Patagonia did with the "problem":
https://www.patagonia.com/blog/2015/03/our-dwr-problem/
Louis
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