Lewn777 wrote: ↑
Wed May 15, 2019 2:26 pm
You can quote sales numbers by Trek inc USA that show numbers of people that are buying disk brakes. It's doesn't matter, there will always be a hardcore of rim brake riders and a few companies that will always cater for us.
This is what cycle fashion brings you, and then mix it up for different disciplines like freestyle, XC and rider size. Basically, you'll end up spending lots of money keeping up with fashion.
@Lewn777 Nobody is saying "The option of buying a rim brake bike must be prevented by any means necessary, bullying, market subversion, advertising, pseudo-science, and bribery are not of limits because it's the 'natural evolution of better technology'." except for you. Literally, nobody on this thread has advocated for the removal of all rim brake options other than your paranoia. The argument that you make is not an invalid one but the points that you use to support it are so grossly incorrect it honestly hurts to read. You make statements like "most experienced riders don't want disc brakes" like you can read the minds of all pros and experienced cyclists. Unless you are a greater being, which from your posts, it seems like you think you are, you are making points that blow your argument over proportion.
Everyone on this thread also agrees that companies are marketing disc brake bikes. So what? How do companies marketing disc brake bikes affect you personally? As you said above. There will be niche companies that will cater to hardcore rim brake riders. Move on. Marketing disc increases large companies margins and from what I can tell most companies are in the business of making money. How does what the pros ride affect you if you have already decided that what they are riding is a pure marketing ploy and you want to be part of this niche "hardcore" group of rim brake users? Why do you have to make every thread an argument about disc vs. rim?
I understand that you made this thread to address that pros are being coerced into using disc brakes, but you did not make a point about why this matters or affects you. When somebody says that putting pros on disc is a marketing ploy you somehow manage to disagree with them while forgetting that your original point is exactly the same thing.
@some others: Again, I don't see anyone forcing you onto disc. Just because some
pros are riding disc does not force you to use them. There will always be a niche rim brake company. Cycling, especially the high-end cycling equipment market is a buyers market, people buy with their dollars. If there was no demand for high-end disc brake bikes than companies would not sell them, it is as simple as that.
Back to @Lewn777, You claim that marketing verges on the point of being manipulation. Call me dumb but I call that type of marketing effective. You constantly talk about the cons of disc brakes rubbing. Well news flash improperly: set up rim brakes rub too!
Points that everyone knows as factual and you all do not
have to bring up again:
pros ride what they are paid to ride
- Disc groupsets are heavier than rim (comparing apples to apples)
- Wet braking on carbon rims sucks.
- Companies like to make money
- Predictions about the future are opinions
- this thread is a joke