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by BdaGhisallo

PeytonM wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:19 am
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Apparently this bike was run over by the official course car.
Nope. The car didn't run over any of the Ineos bikes. Have a look at this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPaCK32oP18

The bike broke because Thomas landed on it when it was propped up on another bike.

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I know this must have slipped barely unnotiniced as I am yet to hear anyone mention it in commentaries, but I was impressed with Quintana staying at the front after the split and all the way to the end. He just looked strong and determined. That’s something I haven’t seen in him in a long while. Who knows. Maybe he does something this year, but I’m not putting a cent on that bet

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dgasmd wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:57 pm
I know this must have slipped barely unnotiniced as I am yet to hear anyone mention it in commentaries, but I was impressed with Quintana staying at the front after the split and all the way to the end. He just looked strong and determined. That’s something I haven’t seen in him in a long while. Who knows. Maybe he does something this year, but I’m not putting a cent on that betImageImage
He was pretty good in the crosswind affected stages of Paris-Nice too. I remember being impressed by his and Bernal's riding in those stages.

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Here's one way to liven up a TdF stage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dUBQIL9uLQ

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how much time does 200g save up an average mountain for these riders? I remember reading examples like 300W over 7.5% gradient for X distance saves X time but cant find it

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KB wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:22 am
Clearly some riders yesterday failed to grasp the problems of not being at the front.
The interesting thing is that every team I've seen spoken too has said they had the exact same spot marked in the road book for echelons to form, and that's where they formed. They guys that didn't make the front group weren't caught out as such, they were outfought and ejected from the group through sheer power. Like EF who tried a bit too early to split things, then when the hammer dropped from DQS, Bora and Ineos were simply too gassed to hang on.
The person who in my opinion makes it tick for Ineos is Luke Rowe. He's brilliant at reading situations.
Yeah. There's a damn good reason why such a seemingly unassuming rider has become the first name inked in on the Sky/Ineos TdF teamsheet each season.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dUBQIL9uLQ

Such idiots to jump over the riders of the TdF!
I would be happy if they are found and get fined!




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There were a few splits that didn't stick before one worked. The problem many had was a roundabout with one side clearly shorter than the other. From the helicopter shot linked below, you can see those who took the long way went from near the front to waaaaay back... then it split and that one stuck, game over.

https://twitter.com/jonas_creteur/statu ... 1022496768

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KB wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:22 am
Clearly some riders yesterday failed to grasp the problems of not being at the front.
You make it sound like it's easy to be at the front. The problem is that you've got a big peleton and there's only so much room to be up front. It takes a strong team to position their GC leader to be at the front even on a non-windy day. So really it's not a matter of being 'caught off guard' but rather does your team have the horsepower to bring you to the front and keep you there. The truth is that all the GC leaders want to be up front but they don't have the energy from themselves and their teammates to get there.

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pdlpsher1 wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:30 pm
KB wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:22 am
Clearly some riders yesterday failed to grasp the problems of not being at the front.
You make it sound like it's easy to be at the front. The problem is that you've got a big peleton and there's only so much room to be up front. It takes a strong team to position their GC leader to be at the front even on a non-windy day. So really it's not a matter of being 'caught off guard' but rather does your team have the horsepower to bring you to the front and keep you there. The truth is that all the GC leaders want to be up front but they don't have the energy from themselves and their teammates to get there.
Well said.

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Dan Gerous wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:30 pm
There were a few splits that didn't stick before one worked. The problem many had was a roundabout with one side clearly shorter than the other. From the helicopter shot linked below, you can see those who took the long way went from near the front to waaaaay back... then it split and that one stuck, game over.

https://twitter.com/jonas_creteur/statu ... 1022496768
That actually wasn't it, really. That roundabout was at 39km to go and coming out if it in prime position EF tried and failed to break it up, the real splits didn't happen until about 5km later. Apparently even the whole of Ineos went the wrong way around that one.

So basically one team who nailed that roundabout perfectly ended up *f##k*, and one team who *f##k* the roundabout ended up perfect.

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BdaGhisallo wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:41 pm
pdlpsher1 wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:30 pm
KB wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:22 am
Clearly some riders yesterday failed to grasp the problems of not being at the front.
You make it sound like it's easy to be at the front. The problem is that you've got a big peleton and there's only so much room to be up front. It takes a strong team to position their GC leader to be at the front even on a non-windy day. So really it's not a matter of being 'caught off guard' but rather does your team have the horsepower to bring you to the front and keep you there. The truth is that all the GC leaders want to be up front but they don't have the energy from themselves and their teammates to get there.
Well said.
so. fuglsang's not got a strong team then. why is it then that most of the contenders managed to make the split. I still believe that some of them rode dumb and lacked concentration. I never said it was easy. Bike racing isn't easy.

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KB wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:12 pm
so. fuglsang's not got a strong team then. why is it then that most of the contenders managed to make the split. I still believe that some of them rode dumb and lacked concentration. I never said it was easy. Bike racing isn't easy.
At this level of racing it's impossible for any rider and staff to not have a basic understanding of racing in the crosswinds and the importance of positioning. The riders in the front group in yesterday's stage won because of their strength not because they are smarter or more alert than the rest.

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by iheartbianchi

Really don't see the issue with Sky/Ineos dominating for the past several years. In baseball you had the Jordan era. In baseball the Yankees. In soccer Man U, Real Madrid and Barcelona. In Formula 1 you had Schumacher, then Vettel and now Hamilton. And when we reminensce about a particular sport or era, we're always looking back at these eras of domination with the fondest memories.

If we had a truly "up in the air" TdF each year, I suspect each year would be just as forgettable as the next, as another "random" winner would emerge and there would be nothing particularly special about them, and we would lose track of who won what and when. Who remembers who won the TdF in 1988 between the Lemond/Hinault era and Indurain? Speaking of Hinault and the other greats, we certainly look back at them fondly. Their dominance made the sport great, notable and memorable. Some of the best cycling I saw live was when Armstrong was dominating in 1999 - 2003. Yeah, they were all drugged up, but it was great racing, despite the dominance.

Sadly, like Sastre, Riis and Delgado, I am sure Nibali will also be a forgotten name a decade from now. But people will remember Froome and that nasty Sky Train for decades to come!
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by TonyM

I read or saw somewhere that some riders didn't expected to have crosswinds in the final 35 km as they were told in the briefing from their DS before the race that the crosswinds were only at the beginning. That was the reason why they reacted too late.

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