And you think 20w worth of bike means anything at 1500w with a rider who's silhouette is a ft shorter than the other 2?
Aero has always been stated as X over X I'm to get you to the line because most companies know that in the heat of a Sprint it's negligible.
As for VC he lost way more than 11s in that embarrassing display from the team mechanic...
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It would help if there was some logical to rebut. Power goes up to the cube of speed so it's not even close to just add say 5 watts to a given figure. The cockpit is giving away some watts, but less than what you would think because of how narrow it is. Exposed cables are slow, but that's more related to the mess of cables usually associated with mechanical drivetrains unlike here. Rim brakes are faster than discs as a package as evidenced in the thread that you mention and difference in wheels would be minimal at such low yaw.kgt wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 8:12 pmI agree that the rider is the main and most important source of drag. The frame - aero or not - has almost negligible impact.
Considering the data you ask for see here:
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2019 Specialized Venge Disc - 208w
2019 Ridley Noah Fast Disc - 213w
These are both disc frames with integrated aero cockpits rolling at 45km/h. So, add 5 watts because we are closer to 60km/h, add 5 watts for the non aero cockpit, and add 5 watts for exposed rim brakes and exposed cables. There you have 20watts more drag for the Noah. Not to mention the less aero Bora wheelset in comparison to the Roval.
If you don't agree you are free to do your maths.
Trying to argue that and aerobike isn't an aerobike just because there are faster bikes available is quite the mental gymnastics.
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No, you were trying to be controversial and once exposed your argument became weaker and weaker. Relying on the Tour test to compare the aero drag of various pro setups is problematic due to different body positions, cockpit setups, brake systems, wheels etc.
At the end of the day it’s all OK, your weak argument prompted some entertaining responses which added value to the forum.
On the botched bike change with Campenaerts, the mechanic should have put the chain on the small ring on the road bike. Campenaerts said he and the mechanic agreed beforehand that if he had a mechanical on the climb they will give him a road bike. Hindsight is 20/20.
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He would have been top step if it weren't for the big ring...pdlpsher1 wrote:On the botched bike change with Campenaerts, the mechanic should have put the chain on the small ring on the road bike. Campenaerts said he and the mechanic agreed beforehand that if he had a mechanical on the climb they will give him a road bike. Hindsight is 20/20.
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Glad you say that aero in negligible in a sprint because some forum members (and some big companies) support than an aero frame can give you a several-bike-lengths advantage in a sprint.Nefarious86 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 8:27 pmAnd you think 20w worth of bike means anything at 1500w with a rider who's silhouette is a ft shorter than the other 2?
Aero has always been stated as X over X I'm to get you to the line because most companies know that in the heat of a Sprint it's negligible.
Interesting that your first post in here is this...Pierre86 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:47 amIt would help if there was some logical to rebut. Power goes up to the cube of speed so it's not even close to just add say 5 watts to a given figure. The cockpit is giving away some watts, but less than what you would think because of how narrow it is. Exposed cables are slow, but that's more related to the mess of cables usually associated with mechanical drivetrains unlike here. Rim brakes are faster than discs as a package as evidenced in the thread that you mention and difference in wheels would be minimal at such low yaw.
Trying to argue that and aerobike isn't an aerobike just because there are faster bikes available is quite the mental gymnastics.
According to the Tour test integrated rim brake models were more aero than their disc brake versions. This is not the case with the Noah. Just missing that and your argument collapses.
Obviously you did not understand my argument and you have nothing specific to contribute so why keep posting?Wookski wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:38 amNo, you were trying to be controversial and once exposed your argument became weaker and weaker. Relying on the Tour test to compare the aero drag of various pro setups is problematic due to different body positions, cockpit setups, brake systems, wheels etc.
At the end of the day it’s all OK, your weak argument prompted some entertaining responses which added value to the forum.
As for Campenaerts, with a perfect bike change I think he'd have still lost, but of course it would have been much closer.
The bike-change cost time, but also provided a bit of a rest and a significantly lighter bike for the last 1500m is not bad either.
It would be nice if both Campenaerts and Roglic would be active on Strava, and we would actually know!
Why on Earth is it not possible to track every individual rider in a race in 2019?
The bike-change cost time, but also provided a bit of a rest and a significantly lighter bike for the last 1500m is not bad either.
It would be nice if both Campenaerts and Roglic would be active on Strava, and we would actually know!
Why on Earth is it not possible to track every individual rider in a race in 2019?
Yeah, that big ring restart on the uphill was a disaster. Not helped by the running cyclocross style remount, while the mechanic got all confused and couldn’t make up his mind to push him off before picking up the bike or go back to pick up the bike right now. Right now was clearly the way to goNefarious86 wrote:He would have been top step if it weren't for the big ring...pdlpsher1 wrote:On the botched bike change with Campenaerts, the mechanic should have put the chain on the small ring on the road bike. Campenaerts said he and the mechanic agreed beforehand that if he had a mechanical on the climb they will give him a road bike. Hindsight is 20/20.
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. Rider will figure out how to get going again. But like was said, hindsight is 20/20.
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Wow, a rider just can’t win with you guys. There’s constant moaning that there are no personalities left only PR managed robots, then there’s moaning as soon as someone says anything remotely controversial.
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