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by eins4eins

Its obvious and not a conspiracy that sram is pushing 1x in the pro peloton, although it might not be the optimal solution. There is nothing to gain by getting rid of the FD, but much to loose. Nobody voluntarily takes this risk.
Aqua Blue was a prime example and don't tell me, that the add. cog makes a difference.

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Dr.Dos
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by Dr.Dos

Kjetil wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:33 am
spartan wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:29 am
1x is not the problem, the problem is SRAM's mickey mouse enginneering team. they alway release beta hardware.

history lesson mavic and then campy tried and failed to deliver a reliable electronic groupset. shimano took their time and released di2 the golden standard. history will repeat once 13speed becomes viable .
Since you mention beta testing: That first generation Di2 was a polished turd.

Mavic was not reliable. Campag pulled 10 speed electronic from pro team field testing after they found that the chosen IP rating wasn't good enough in torrential rain at autostrada speeds.

SRAM is SRAM, enough said.
One should remember Fabian Wegmann being stuck on 53/14 during the Tour 2008 in the mountains with a Di2 prototype.

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by Dan Gerous

Kjetil wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:59 pm
AFAIK AG2R were not sponsored by Campag. Nor are they sponsored buy Shimano. They buy.
Yes, and they are sponsored by Rotor for cranksets this year and that's apparently why they switched from Campagnolo to Shimano, apparently Campy didn't play well with the Rotor chainrings they must contractually use while Shimano works better.

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by ichobi

Gearing aside Volta Catalunya is packed with TDF contenders. Should be a good week of racing.

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by wingguy

Kjetil wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:33 am
A ince you mention beta testing: That first generation Di2 was a polished turd.

Mavic was not reliable.
By all accounts Mavic Zap was decent enough. It was used in the peloton for most of the ‘90s. It was the next gen Mektronic with wireless that killed Mavic groupsets dead.

And aside from the clunky connectors and lack of programability or forward compatibility was DA 7970 actually poor in use? Seemed like 9000 had more visible reliability issues when it started being raced.

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by BdaGhisallo

Dr.Dos wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:38 pm
Kjetil wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:33 am
spartan wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:29 am
1x is not the problem, the problem is SRAM's mickey mouse enginneering team. they alway release beta hardware.

history lesson mavic and then campy tried and failed to deliver a reliable electronic groupset. shimano took their time and released di2 the golden standard. history will repeat once 13speed becomes viable .
Since you mention beta testing: That first generation Di2 was a polished turd.

Mavic was not reliable. Campag pulled 10 speed electronic from pro team field testing after they found that the chosen IP rating wasn't good enough in torrential rain at autostrada speeds.

SRAM is SRAM, enough said.
One should remember Fabian Wegmann being stuck on 53/14 during the Tour 2008 in the mountains with a Di2 prototype.
And that was prior to the public release of Shimano's DI2, yes? That's the point of pre-release testing - to iron out the kinks before it gets into the hands of consumers who actually pay for it.

SRAM has released AXS Etap to the public. Consumers have it. SRAM's pre-release test period is over. Of course, that means we are now into SRAM's usual post-release consumer testing phase.

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by CrankAddictsRich

Did you guys not read the inital article? No one is assuming that he ran 1x, the article spcifically said he was.

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by TheRich

Calnago wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:27 pm
Its not necessarily about what they are currently selling, all that is fine, it’s about what they want to sell in the future. SRAM is trying to create a demand for 1x on the road, and the pro peloton is the stage for marketing that. So nothing new. Basically trying to create a market for something that no one is screaming for.
The thing about the "marketing" argument is that winning is the best marketing strategy.

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by Calnago

TheRich wrote:The thing about the "marketing" argument is that winning is the best marketing strategy.
No question about that. That photo crossing the finish line first, arms in the air, riding the sponsors’ stuff... and that last part is crucial where it counts, at the cash register. That photo will adorn the websites of all the equipment sponsors. There’s a reason it’s called the “money shot”. Huge marketing power in those photos.
Now a photo of poor Johnny pounding his bike up and down hoping for a miraculous chain reengagement... well, probably not going to make the cover shot of any marketing ad campaigns. Or any spot on the company website for that matter.
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Shimano could certainly use it. :D

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by Calnago

But that would just be mean.
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by ultyguy

Trentin was def on rim brakes Foil. Naesen finished 2nd on a Ridley Helium rim brakes with Ultegra Di2.


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by CrankAddictsRich

Thomas Degendt's performance yesterday was inspiring... I really love his race strategy. When he deicides to go, its all in... whthwer that means getting in the break and pushing it to the line or chasing down a break on the front of the group.

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by ultyguy

Ha, he was also on a non-aero Ridley Helium, at least had aero handlebars
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by skidrrr

He is my hero now.
- 360 NP (5.1w/kg) for 4h15m
- 400W (5.8w/kg) up the climbs
- started of the day with 1m @ 650 followed by 20min @ 400 to create the breakaway
https://www.strava.com/activities/2240488536/analysis

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