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harvsurrey
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ultimobici wrote:
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Noctiluxx wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:58 am

The markup for my 2019 Trek Madone SLR frame is about 40%. I know this as the dealer forgot the invoice in the box Image

Yep, and that's a larger percentage margin than a Trek FX.
Doubtful.


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That's the margin from trek to the dealer for either a full bike or a frame .... give or take a few % (below 40 ..... not willing to divulge the actual number)

And it does not matter what model

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harvsurrey wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:01 pm
ultimobici wrote:
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Noctiluxx wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:58 am

The markup for my 2019 Trek Madone SLR frame is about 40%. I know this as the dealer forgot the invoice in the box Image

Yep, and that's a larger percentage margin than a Trek FX.
Doubtful.


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That's the margin from trek to the dealer for either a full bike or a frame .... give or take a few % (below 40 ..... not willing to divulge the actual number)

And it does not matter what model

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Here in the West coast of Canada (greater Vancouver) Trek has bought some stores and run these as Trek stores now (like Giant started also).

They have the full margin therefore (Trek to dealer and dealer to consumer).
As far as I heard they don't give much discount!

harvsurrey
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by harvsurrey

If they do discount it Usually comes from Trek

Eg current discounts on rim brake madones due to slow movement of factory stock ( well that's the case in europe)

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ultimobici wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:33 pm
RTW wrote:"Sales People"
??
Minimum wage shop staff with no sales training. "Sales People".

A good number of them shouldn't even be allowed contact with other humans.

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mattr wrote:
ultimobici wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:33 pm
RTW wrote:"Sales People"
??
Minimum wage shop staff with no sales training. "Sales People".

A good number of them shouldn't even be allowed contact with other humans.
Nothing like slagging off an entire section of the workforce.


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No, it's nothing like slagging off an entire section of the workforce, it's pointing out the limitations and weaknesses of the industry as a whole.

Shit wages, virtually no training and a willingness in many shops to employ just about anyone who will do the job for the wages offered.

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Well finding people who actually know about bikes rather those that think they know is hard. Bike mechanics and good sales staff often overlap in skills and there skills are not valued by the customer. Customers expect knowledge and advise for free so shit advise becomes free and no one can afford to train. If you want to know why the bike industry is failing we have to look at ourselves and the want for everything to be at the lowest price. Something has to give.

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The customer can’t be faulted for wanting fair local pricing. As a customer I’m willing to pay an LBS $55 for a tire that is selling for $45 online from overseas. I’m not willing to pay $90 for that tire. That’s ridiculous. It’s not the LBS’s fault either...it starts earlier in the distribution model.

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by TonyM

What about the competencies of the LBS?

...It is not just about prices!


A few months ago I spoke with the store manager from an official Trek store in my area about business etc.....and after a while he told me that the best sales guys in his stores (he worked in 2 different stores) don’t even bike themselves and that his job is just to hire such guys and then make sure that they sell as much as possible etc...He had absolutely no interest in bike/ biking etc...just making $!

I was really upset and was thinking about informing Trek HQ! But maybe this is part of the business strategy of Trek.

Anyway, when the LBS don’t have much knowledge why would people come back to the LBS except for maintenance...

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by TobinHatesYou

I don’t do business the shops I deem incompetent. I just sympathize with the competent shops that can’t afford to pay living wages to mechanics because someone else is hoarding the money earlier in the pipeline.

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:32 pm
TheRich wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:29 pm
robertbb wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:11 am
If it's so easy, I assume you're doing it. What's your website?
I'm one of the people saying it's not.

He was confused because nobody else said it was easy.
Nobody except him.

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Against my better judgement of dredging up arguements on how to run a LBS, I noticed Merlin still ships to Canada on their site but are missing some of the items I need to complete a GRX build. Any other sites still selling to NA?

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Orbital wrote:Against my better judgement of dredging up arguements on how to run a LBS, I noticed Merlin still ships to Canada on their site but are missing some of the items I need to complete a GRX build. Any other sites still selling to NA?
FYI, I just ordered from Merlin 2 times in the last month to Canada (B.C.) and beside the fact that the prices for the Shimano products are way more expensive than last year (sometimes up to +30%) each time I had to pay 15% to DHL for brokerage fees and taxes (instead of normally 7% with Canada Post)....
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by Berzin1

The times I've supported my lbs I've been disappointed to the point where I just stopped cycling for a while, so what I and many others do is get one of the shop mechanics to do any work needed after hours either in their home or during a house call. So it's $100 or so US dollars to put a bike together, as opposed to $250-$300 plus tax and tip in a shop.

And I order everything online.

That whole "support your local lbs" mantra to me is outdated and unnecessary. I don't owe anyone a living, and I certainly won't pay full retail when there are so many other outlets that sell for less in an invironment where I don't have to deal with bike shop owners and employees. Been there, done that and got sick and tired of it.

Go with whatever works for you. I've never understood needing to have a "relationship" with a local shop when the fact is it's a service business, and those services can be duplicated for less going the non=traditional route.

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TonyM wrote:
Orbital wrote:Against my better judgement of dredging up arguements on how to run a LBS, I noticed Merlin still ships to Canada on their site but are missing some of the items I need to complete a GRX build. Any other sites still selling to NA?
FYI, I just ordered from Merlin 2 times in the last month to Canada (B.C.) and beside the fact that the prices for the Shimano products are way more expensive than last year (sometimes up to +30%) each time I had to pay 15% to DHL for brokerage fees and taxes (instead of normally 7% with Canada Post)....
Yeah, a friend at work ordered a full Di2 groupset from Merlin to go with an F10 he also ordered. Unfortunately he shipped it all to Point Roberts to save duty and taxes but hasn’t been able to collect it due to border closures.

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