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ALAN Carbon+
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by ALAN Carbon+

AJS914 wrote:Teams seem to like the TDU though. Maybe they go down there and spend some time training in the sun? Some big names show up. It sounded like the pavillion concept (where the mechanics and teams were all set up in one place) was well received.
I think it is a combination of factors, as you mention at tdu teams stay in the same hotel for the whole race. Also there is now a block of races close together that help make it worth the trip TDU, Cadel Great Ocean Road Race, "criterium" on the F1 circuit and Herald Sun Tour and.......it's summer.

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Shrike
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by Shrike

Can we expect any full length Youtube uploads of the Ruta Del Sol? First race of the season that has my interest. Want to see if Landa can deliver the hype..

Or get slayed like a petulant peasant 8)

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Shrike wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:29 pm
Can we expect any full length Youtube uploads of the Ruta Del Sol? First race of the season that has my interest. Want to see if Landa can deliver the hype..

Or get slayed like a petulant peasant 8)
Full length.. maybe, maybe not. It's a toss up whether the organizers actively flag content like with bigger races. I think they allow the last few KMs though. If you want to see the whole thing I think it's easier to catch a live stream (but might be tricky depending on what timezone you're in and your priorities during the race).

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by TonyM

Vital Concept wins the first stage of the Tour of Oman !
Coquard 1st. Cavendish 2nd.

I hope for Vital concept that they will have great races (as they haven't been invited on the Tour de France or Paris Nice)...

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WTF did I just read?
https://cyclingtips.com/2018/02/comment ... kepticism/
This is by far the most far fledged article/opinion piece I've ever read. Blaming the Russians for the skepticism? Come on, the cycling world has always been skeptic since all the doping cases, this has nothing to do with Russian hackers.

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by Shrike

Rondje wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:09 am
WTF did I just read?
https://cyclingtips.com/2018/02/comment ... kepticism/
This is by far the most far fledged article/opinion piece I've ever read. Blaming the Russians for the skepticism? Come on, the cycling world has always been skeptic since all the doping cases, this has nothing to do with Russian hackers.
In the UK at least the Fancy Bears leak kicked everything off and put Sky right and centre of public skepticism. It directly led to a long running parliamentary enquiry. It was huge. Maybe being in the Netherlands you aren't aware of how big a deal that Fancy Bears leak was over here. It really shook everything up. It dominated sports news and put Sky and Wiggins on the front pages of the news week in week out for the best part of a year. Wiggins was out arguing with reporters in front of his home, caught on video. It was dirty tabloid bait as well as highbrow finger wagging.

The circle jerk skepticism of course was around before, but it was nothing that could have harmed Sky in real terms. That is the crucial point that perhaps the article should point out strongly. Fancy Bears got close to taking down Brailsford. Wiggins has been permanently damaged. The Sky brand and incestuous link to British Cycling is now considered toxic publicly.

The article itself was well balanced, very reasonable. Not sure what the strong reaction to it is about. If anything it didn't go deep enough into the after-effects.
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Rondje wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:09 am
WTF did I just read?
https://cyclingtips.com/2018/02/comment ... kepticism/
This is by far the most far fledged article/opinion piece I've ever read. Blaming the Russians for the skepticism? Come on, the cycling world has always been skeptic since all the doping cases, this has nothing to do with Russian hackers.
Leave the investigative journalism to the journalists- poorly written junk.

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by Shrike

Wookski wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:51 am
Rondje wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:09 am
WTF did I just read?
https://cyclingtips.com/2018/02/comment ... kepticism/
This is by far the most far fledged article/opinion piece I've ever read. Blaming the Russians for the skepticism? Come on, the cycling world has always been skeptic since all the doping cases, this has nothing to do with Russian hackers.
Leave the investigative journalism to the journalists- poorly written junk.
It wasn't investigate journalism though, it was merely a casual observation. It's actually titled ' Commentary'.

Again, not sure which parts you guys are struggling with, all of it looks factual.

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by Snabb

Shrike wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:29 pm
Can we expect any full length Youtube uploads of the Ruta Del Sol? First race of the season that has my interest. Want to see if Landa can deliver the hype..

Or get slayed like a petulant peasant 8)
Landa will take off on stage 2.

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by Rondje

Shrike wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:49 am
Rondje wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:09 am
WTF did I just read?
https://cyclingtips.com/2018/02/comment ... kepticism/
This is by far the most far fledged article/opinion piece I've ever read. Blaming the Russians for the skepticism? Come on, the cycling world has always been skeptic since all the doping cases, this has nothing to do with Russian hackers.
In the UK at least the Fancy Bears leak kicked everything off and put Sky right and centre of public skepticism. It directly led to a long running parliamentary enquiry. It was huge. Maybe being in the Netherlands you aren't aware of how big a deal that Fancy Bears leak was over here. It really shook everything up. It dominated sports news and put Sky and Wiggins on the front pages of the news week in week out for the best part of a year. Wiggins was out arguing with reporters in front of his home, caught on video. It was dirty tabloid bait as well as highbrow finger wagging.

The circle jerk skepticism of course was around before, but it was nothing that could have harmed Sky in real terms. That is the crucial point that perhaps the article should point out strongly. Fancy Bears got close to taking down Brailsford. Wiggins has been permanently damaged. The Sky brand and incestuous link to British Cycling is now considered toxic publicly.

The article itself was well balanced, very reasonable. Not sure what the strong reaction to it is about. If anything it didn't go deep enough into the after-effects.

Maybe it depends on where you live, but I think in most countries outside of the UK, people who follow cycling where well aware that Sky business wasn't all that clean and transparent as they claimed it to be. Froome got boo'ed at way before that information was leaked and Sky wasn't particularly the most liked team.

My strong reaction isn't necessarily about how it is written, but I simply disagree that the Russians are to blame for Froome's possible downfall. Any rider who would get caught like Froome while being so successful would be in discredit. Especially a rider who came out of nowhere to dominate the GT side of the sport like he did. People who follow cycling long enough know when it looks to good to be true, it usually is too good to be true.

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TonyM wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:21 am
Vital Concept wins the first stage of the Tour of Oman !
...
I hope for Vital concept that they will have great races (as they haven't been invited on the Tour de France or Paris Nice)...
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by peted76

Froome's HR/Cadence/Power data is being broadcast on Velon at the Ruta de Sol.. also Sep Vanmarcke and former teammate Mikel Landa.
Can't think that's happened before, interesting to compare directly against Landa.

Obviously a PR tactic to show transparency, but hell, I don't care, it's fascinating!

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by Shrike

Really? That's class. Looking forward to catching up tonight. They need to integrate better so we can watch cycling on tablets and have options to select riders and see their power etc. It's all very old hat these days yet the tech is there to make it more engaging. Too many dinosaurs running cycling organisations.

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by wingguy

peted76 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:55 pm
Froome's HR/Cadence/Power data is being broadcast on Velon at the Ruta de Sol.. also Sep Vanmarcke and former teammate Mikel Landa.
Did they have Modolo's HR waiting for the photo finish to come through? :P

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by bilwit

Hilarious to hear Froome & Bralisford hanging their hats on "hasn't been proven to have done anything wrong". This is so backwards.

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