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Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:51 pm
by nathanong87
i'm surprised he got another second chance. I dont think it's hating to say he floundered on his re-return to pro racing with didata. The hip trifecta of him, phinney and howes.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:51 pm
by Weenie

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:27 am
by AJS914
It will be interesting if this 2nd 2nd chance works for him. This new gig sounds like it will be more in line with his personality.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:42 am
by Wookski
AJS914 wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:27 am
It will be interesting if this 2nd 2nd chance works for him. This new gig sounds like it will be more in line with his personality.
He’s been sponsored by waffa for the past few years so it’s definitely “on brand” for EF. A great addition for the antiSky.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:11 am
by thePrince
Lachlan clearly has a big engine. I bet if he was on the same program as Bernal or Yates, he would be just as good. Something tells me his on the bike passion is elsewhere. What if your passion isn’t settling in for 200km in a 200 person peloton and rolling the dice for 5 min of action?

But how do you really survive as a gravel pro? What is that in 2018? Look at my local race scene in Texas. Tons of road races, tons of crits. Austin has the biggest weekly crit series in the US, and one of the biggest in the world. But the only amateur race that sells out in 30 min is Castell Grind...a gravel race.

The demand is there for a Lachlan Morton to be the best in that discipline - or to at least have the passion to be the best. But monetization as a “pro” isn’t. So maybe he hasn’t failed as a Euro roadie, maybe he’s just surviving because his true passion isn’t a professional option - yet.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:49 am
by wheelbuilder
Him an Phinney on the same team? Jean shorts with chamois sewn in will be a reality. Ironic mustaches and John Lennon glasses too. Both of those guys think they are "too cool" for the road scene. Perhaps this EF diversification will work out well for them.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:36 pm
by KWalker
nathanong87 wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:51 pm
i'm surprised he got another second chance. I dont think it's hating to say he floundered on his re-return to pro racing with didata. The hip trifecta of him, phinney and howes.
Really? That entire team is second chances- Rolland, Phinney, Joe De, Uran, etc.

It sucks to see so many WT slots being used by guys who don't have the results or drive to really factor. Uran does, or did for a few isolated years, but I completely forgot Howes existed and so did the results sheet when I checked.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:12 am
by otoman
Agree, that whole team is a product of Vaughter's less than stellar self-confidence. If he was a big-balled bad ass, he could find a bunch of alpha male, cold hearted killers on the way up in their career (think Quick Step), manage their personalities and win with underpaid stars in the making. Seems like every team EXCEPT EF has had that star in the making. Instead Vaughters surrounds himself with stylish sheep who are happy just to be there. He needs guys that will talk back to him, dudes that aren't afraid to speak their mind. They are all nice guys with whom I'd enjoy a beer with, but they just have no killer instinct.

I think Axle Merckx does this well with his team, Rallye also. For some reason, the scrappy personality profile just hasn't made its way into EF.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:26 pm
by BdaGhisallo
Does anyone have any thoughts on the new minimum wage deal and maternity leave allowance introduced by the UCI for Women's World Tour teams?

According to CN:

"The maternity leave clause, which is included in the self-employed standard contract, will allow for women to take three months leave while being entitled to 100 per cent of their salary, followed by an additional five months at 50 per cent of their salary."

Self-employed riders are those who are paid a gross amount by the team and are then responsible for paying their own taxes.


If a rider is signed on a one year contract, the team owner could be on the hook for paying a rider that never actually rides for them. I understand that the women's peloton is seeking some parity with the men's game in terms of pay and guarantees but this one seems, to me at least, perhaps a step too far. Might this have the peverse effect of having teams seek out riders whom it feels won't be getting pregnant. Might it favor the really young women and leave the veteran riders, who may be inclined to thinking of having a child, left out in the cold some?

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:52 pm
by AJS914
Those women make so little that 50% of their salary for five months won't amount to much. And how often will this happen? It will be rare. I guess it could lead to discrimation against older female cyclists who are married - the team thinking that their biological clock is ticking. Doesn't a baby in a rider's late 20s or early 30s usually mean retirement anyway?

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:37 pm
by tymon_tm
BdaGhisallo wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:26 pm
a step too far
on the contrary, it's a step to civilize employment relations between gals and teams. besides, maternity leaves (and recently - paternity leaves) are a standard that not only helps bring more children into this world (at least in europe old society becomes a huge and expensive problem) but also allows for healthier realtionships and boosts morale - this is often a neglected but pretty important factor that in a long run influences productivity and company performance (simply put - a happy employee works better, but is also healthier which means less sick leaves etc).

cyclists are employes just like clerks or whatever - why would they be treated any differently?

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:23 am
by LouisN
Tymon_tm :thumbup:

Louis :)

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:26 am
by FIJIGabe
I finally finished going through photos of my trip to Spain, and wanted to post my shots from Stage 21 of the Vuelta. I know it's late, but better late than never!

Here are some images:

ImageIMG_3045-2 by Gabriel Couriel, on Flickr

ImageIMG_2967-2 by Gabriel Couriel, on Flickr

ImageIMG_2976-2 by Gabriel Couriel, on Flickr

ImageIMG_3110-2 by Gabriel Couriel, on Flickr

ImageIMG_3145 by Gabriel Couriel, on Flickr

https://www.flickr.com/gp/136944742@N03/S3k7gB

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:09 am
by Lelandjt
AJS914 wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:52 pm
Doesn't a baby in a rider's late 20s or early 30s usually mean retirement anyway?
This. It doesn't matter because no one is gonna get pregnant and then re-enter the WT. Adding maternity leave is good optics with no cost.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:51 am
by Kjetil
Well. It has been done by top level athletes with excellent comebacks in cross country skiing, biathlon and athletics.

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:26 am
by Karvalo
Lelandjt wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:09 am
AJS914 wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:52 pm
Doesn't a baby in a rider's late 20s or early 30s usually mean retirement anyway?
This. It doesn't matter because no one is gonna get pregnant and then re-enter the WT.
Yeah, totes... Except for the people who do.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lizzie- ... m-in-2019/

Re: 2018 PRO thread

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:26 am
by Weenie