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by tymon_tm

yeah, but then those domestiques get their own leadership roles and proper teams to work with. see Kwiato's TdP win, it's a perfect example how this team works. unless you don't apply same rules, letting all your big shots have some race for their own, it just won't work. all for one, one for all kind of attitude.
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by Rondje

Niki Terpstra to join Direct Energie next year. A really surprising move, not sure if he will get any success there without a strong team playing the perfect protect role behind him.

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davidalone wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:10 am
I could see them putting together a tour GC team to challlenge Sky. of course then that means no support for Groenewegen, but I hink if they go all in for GC they may have a shot.

Leader: Roglic
Super Domestiques: Krujiswick,Gesink
Climbers: Kuss, Bennet
TT engines: Martin, Van Emden, Lars Boom/Stef Clement
Yet to see if they are willing to bet it all on a good GC. Groenewegen's 2 stages really helped the team to get into the good/winning mood during the TDF. I don't see them using Bennet Kruijswijk and Roglic together in the same GT, as all 3 are capable of riding top 10 / top 5 in one. The team they had now with Gesink and Tolhoek as strong climbers seemed strong enough to do the work in the 3rd week. I think no team will ever beat Sky at their own terrain (the train) so rather get riders who can possibly destroy that train a bit before the final starts. A bit like Kruijswijk did in his Alpe D'huez stage and Gesink got 2 sky riders dropped at his effort on the last mountain stage.

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by tymon_tm

...or they can do what they did this year, except riding a stronger TTT maybe and assuring their GC guys (because it seems there will more than one again) get safe get safe over first week, perhaps even gain some time on jinxies (like Dumo this year). I agree there's no chance to beat SKY at their own game, but Roglic has proven he's got both legs and cojones, so he can just sit there let them do all the work and wait for a right moment.
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by Monkeyfudger

^This. You can’t out Sky Sky so why bother, it frustrates the hell out of me seeing Movistar etc trying to set up a train which only ends up giving the Sky Super Doms a break. Call their bluff, smash the breakaways have some balls and forget about 10th like Contador would!

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Mathieu van der Poel... what a punch. Get's boxed in, rides out of it and still distances everyone with ease. I'd like to see him at Huy next year against Allaphilipe and Valverde, but probably won't be there.

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Antoine wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:29 am
davidalone wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:10 am

I could see them putting together a tour GC team to challlenge Sky.

Leader: Roglic
Super Domestiques: Krujiswick,Gesink
Climbers: Kuss, Bennet
TT engines: Martin, Van Emden, Lars Boom/Stef Clement
Not sure Kruijswijk wants to work for Roglic.
This exactly. He didn't work for Roglic at any point in the race and sometimes rode to his detriment.

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Rondje wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:29 pm
Mathieu van der Poel... what a punch. Get's boxed in, rides out of it and still distances everyone with ease. I'd like to see him at Huy next year against Allaphilipe and Valverde, but probably won't be there.
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"Smart may have the answers, but stupid have all the interesting questions."

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Willier wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:18 pm
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/niki-te ... t-energie/

Did not see that one coming...
Interview on Sporza, Lefevre didn't have the budget for it so couldn't make Terpstra any offer at all.
Interview (in Dutch) https://sporza.be/nl/2018/08/16/lefever ... e-kwestie/

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by Daniel1975

Did not have or says he doesn't have....? ;-)

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It seems to me Lefevere is pretty ruthless in negotiations with his top guys, especially when they're ageing. (except Boonen maybe but his value in Belgium for sponsors was huge, even at the end of his career.)
He clearly doesn't want to give Terpstra what he can get somewhere else (especially at age 34, and his marketing value in the Netherlands must be down with all the Dutch GC guys now.)
This has happened many times at QS. Martin, Kittel, Cav ...
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Daniel1975 wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:38 pm
Did not have or says he doesn't have....? ;-)
Well, he is supposedly looking for money too... so maybe the money wasn't there or maybe Terpstra saw the writing on the wall.
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by Rondje

After Geschke, Sunweb also loses Ten Dam to BMC CCC. Not the strongest climber anymore, but it seems like Sunweb loses all their experienced riders and only bringing young talent in.
I'm surprised by Ten Dam's move, would have expected him to stay with Sunweb till the end of his career.

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Rondje wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:18 am
After Geschke, Sunweb also loses Ten Dam to BMC CCC. Not the strongest climber anymore, but it seems like Sunweb loses all their experienced riders and only bringing young talent in.
I'm surprised by Ten Dam's move, would have expected him to stay with Sunweb till the end of his career.
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