2018 PRO thread

[KWalker]

they're all doing the same shit. when has only one person on a team been the sole dirty suspect?

[Wookski]

Here's what I think sucks the most about all of the Team Sky/Chris Froome business.... the doubt that it casts over all of the Team Sky riders. I'm not a fan of Froome or Sky, but there are riders on the team that I do like. I like Thomas and Kwiato. I liked Peter Kennaugh when he raced for Sky and I'm stoked to see how he transfers over to Bora with perhaps some more leadership and chances. Now because of the stuff going on with Sky and Froome, it makes me wonder about these other guys too... what are they doing that we don't know about? Those thoughts are only compounded when I see Thomas smash TT heavy-hitters in a TT.

There's so much love for Kwiato that if the AAF was for him hardly anyone would care. I guess that's the difference between being a fun, entertaining rider with truckloads of panache vs. a weird stem staring praying mantis.

[spdntrxi]

I haven’t read that there is any suspicion of the drug being injected or ingested. Is there new evidence or have the forum MD’s forgotten to take off their tin foil hats again?

Seriously? There are three ways to get the drug into your system, inhaler, nebulizer, or injection. In order to return a value as high as he did, via an inhaler, he would have had to been puffing on the inhaler all day long, literally all day long, during the race, except we were all watching the race and didn't see him puffing the inhaler... by process of elimination, that leaves the other methods. Of course Team Sky and Froome are not admitting to using those other methods, as those methods require a specific TUE and he didn't have it.

From what I have read, and i'm not pretending to be a physician, is that the 1600 mcg recommended limit is equivalent to say 16 puffs (100mcg per puff). I am an asthmatic and I have had instances when suffering I have easily consumed 16 puffs or more. Hell, I take 5 or 6 puffs before a hard training session. I also have liquid salbutamol which is almost 10 times this dosage PER ML or liquid which if used in competition would return a significantly higher reading.

I can't believe i'm defending Froome but this is so damn stupid!

I don't think you are defending him at all.. atleast not with that last paragraph. Remember Froome has lead us to believe he has been asthmatic all his life, so he too should know puff dosage. I get EIA myself, pretty bad at times and 2-3 puffs are enough for me to atleast stop coughing.

[LeDuke]

I haven’t read that there is any suspicion of the drug being injected or ingested. Is there new evidence or have the forum MD’s forgotten to take off their tin foil hats again?

Seriously? There are three ways to get the drug into your system, inhaler, nebulizer, or injection. In order to return a value as high as he did, via an inhaler, he would have had to been puffing on the inhaler all day long, literally all day long, during the race, except we were all watching the race and didn't see him puffing the inhaler... by process of elimination, that leaves the other methods. Of course Team Sky and Froome are not admitting to using those other methods, as those methods require a specific TUE and he didn't have it.

From what I have read, and i'm not pretending to be a physician, is that the 1600 mcg recommended limit is equivalent to say 16 puffs (100mcg per puff). I am an asthmatic and I have had instances when suffering I have easily consumed 16 puffs or more. Hell, I take 5 or 6 puffs before a hard training session. I also have liquid salbutamol which is almost 10 times this dosage PER ML or liquid which if used in competition would return a significantly higher reading.

I can't believe i'm defending Froome but this is so damn stupid!

Are we now pretending that the body doesn't process some portion of this medication? Because the only way for you to get a 1 in, 1 out relationship is if the body simply doesn't process any portion of the inhaled substance.

Or, are you saying that Froome is capable of benefiting from a medication, but not actually processing or metabolizing any portion of it?

[wpccrunner]

Can we start a "PRO-Doping thread" to house all the doping talk and keep it out of this thread?

[Wookski]

I haven’t read that there is any suspicion of the drug being injected or ingested. Is there new evidence or have the forum MD’s forgotten to take off their tin foil hats again?

Seriously? There are three ways to get the drug into your system, inhaler, nebulizer, or injection. In order to return a value as high as he did, via an inhaler, he would have had to been puffing on the inhaler all day long, literally all day long, during the race, except we were all watching the race and didn't see him puffing the inhaler... by process of elimination, that leaves the other methods. Of course Team Sky and Froome are not admitting to using those other methods, as those methods require a specific TUE and he didn't have it.

From what I have read, and i'm not pretending to be a physician, is that the 1600 mcg recommended limit is equivalent to say 16 puffs (100mcg per puff). I am an asthmatic and I have had instances when suffering I have easily consumed 16 puffs or more. Hell, I take 5 or 6 puffs before a hard training session. I also have liquid salbutamol which is almost 10 times this dosage PER ML or liquid which if used in competition would return a significantly higher reading.

I can't believe i'm defending Froome but this is so damn stupid!

Are we now pretending that the body doesn't process some portion of this medication? Because the only way for you to get a 1 in, 1 out relationship is if the body simply doesn't process any portion of the inhaled substance.

Or, are you saying that Froome is capable of benefiting from a medication, but not actually processing or metabolizing any portion of it?

You’re an idiot. 1600 mcg is the WADA recommended dosage (the input) per 24 hours.

[LeDuke]

Seriously? There are three ways to get the drug into your system, inhaler, nebulizer, or injection. In order to return a value as high as he did, via an inhaler, he would have had to been puffing on the inhaler all day long, literally all day long, during the race, except we were all watching the race and didn't see him puffing the inhaler... by process of elimination, that leaves the other methods. Of course Team Sky and Froome are not admitting to using those other methods, as those methods require a specific TUE and he didn't have it.

From what I have read, and i'm not pretending to be a physician, is that the 1600 mcg recommended limit is equivalent to say 16 puffs (100mcg per puff). I am an asthmatic and I have had instances when suffering I have easily consumed 16 puffs or more. Hell, I take 5 or 6 puffs before a hard training session. I also have liquid salbutamol which is almost 10 times this dosage PER ML or liquid which if used in competition would return a significantly higher reading.

I can't believe i'm defending Froome but this is so damn stupid!

Are we now pretending that the body doesn't process some portion of this medication? Because the only way for you to get a 1 in, 1 out relationship is if the body simply doesn't process any portion of the inhaled substance.

Or, are you saying that Froome is capable of benefiting from a medication, but not actually processing or metabolizing any portion of it?

You’re an idiot. 1600 mcg is the WADA recommended dosage (the input) per 24 hours.

WADA recommends dosages now?

Would you care to rephrase that statement?


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[djcharlou]

Victor Campenaerts got a nice custom aerobar for his TT bike ! + the european champion's suit looks cool

[wingguy]

WADA recommends dosages now?

They set dosage limits.

BETA-2 AGONISTS

If a Substance or Method is not defined in this list, please verify with your Anti-Doping Organization.
All selective and non-selective beta-2 agonists, including all optical isomers, are prohibited;

Including, but not limited to:
.
.
.Except:

Inhaled salbutamol: maximum 1600 micrograms over 24 hours;
in divided doses not to exceed 800 micrograms over 12 hours starting from any dose;
.
.
The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is not consistent with therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves, through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the abnormal result was the consequence of a therapeutic dose (by inhalation) up to the maximum dose indicated above.

Would you care to revise your "1 in 1 out" statement? Perhaps to something that isn't nonsense...

[Rondje]

Victor Campenaerts got a nice custom aerobar for his TT bike ! + the european champion's suit looks cool

Poor guys, sitting in the hot seat for over 2 hours to get kicked off by the last rider :p

[bilwit]

go check procyclingstats for Thomas TTs

twice 2nd in the TTs at the Giro
2nd prologue Giro
1st TT Tour and yellow
1st prologue Romandie
3rd Eneco TT
3rd Commonwealth Games TT
3 time top 3 in the Algarve TTs
1st Bayern TT
etc

Yea... I know he's no slouch, I just don't expect him to smash guys that are former world champions.

Look at the results before last year though.. I've always liked him but I'm pretty shocked that he's developed into a serious TT threat in the last year. I know he was a pursuiter but the only TT result I remembered was the Romandie one in 2012.. lackluster to say the least

Also surprised that Porte dropped 2 minutes.. what the hell happened to his TT? He was always pretty damn strong in TT, as recent as smashing everyone at the Dauphine TT. Was it a technical course?

[LeDuke]

WADA recommends dosages now?

They set dosage limits.

BETA-2 AGONISTS

If a Substance or Method is not defined in this list, please verify with your Anti-Doping Organization.
All selective and non-selective beta-2 agonists, including all optical isomers, are prohibited;

Including, but not limited to:
.
.
.Except:

Inhaled salbutamol: maximum 1600 micrograms over 24 hours;
in divided doses not to exceed 800 micrograms over 12 hours starting from any dose;
.
.
The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is not consistent with therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves, through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the abnormal result was the consequence of a therapeutic dose (by inhalation) up to the maximum dose indicated above.

Would you care to revise your "1 in 1 out" statement? Perhaps to something that isn't nonsense...

I know they set dosage limits. They don't make "recommendations", as Wookski stated.

Are you also suggesting that his body would not metabolize some of that inhaled Salbutamol?







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[pastronef]

go check procyclingstats for Thomas TTs

twice 2nd in the TTs at the Giro
2nd prologue Giro
1st TT Tour and yellow
1st prologue Romandie
3rd Eneco TT
3rd Commonwealth Games TT
3 time top 3 in the Algarve TTs
1st Bayern TT
etc

Yea... I know he's no slouch, I just don't expect him to smash guys that are former world champions.

Look at the results before last year though.. I've always liked him but I'm pretty shocked that he's developed into a serious TT threat in the last year. I know he was a pursuiter but the only TT result I remembered was the Romandie one in 2012.. lackluster to say the least

Also surprised that Porte dropped 2 minutes.. what the hell happened to his TT? He was always pretty damn strong in TT, as recent as smashing everyone at the Dauphine TT. Was it a technical course?

8-10 years on, athletes progress.
he already was 10th in the TDF TT in 2010, 4th and 7th in the Dauphiné TTs in 2010. 12th Giro last stage TT 2008.
2nd in the Giro TT 2012, 2nd in the prologue Giro 2012
won Bayern Rundfahrt TT 2014
3rd Commonwealth TT 2014
2nd Giro TT 2017
3 top 3 in the Algarve´s TT these years

[Rondje]

2018 pro thread has became the 2018 Sky thread.

[Kjetil]

Only a week 'til Openingsweekend. Just hang in there.