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bilwit wrote:I'm not sure that this agenda is to actually put people in their place or to say "boo hoo everyone else MUST be cheating" because he always comes across so bitter about it.

So sad we no longer have Steve Tilford around, but have to wonder if he would be changing his tune with regards to PG?
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tymon_tm wrote:IMHO Gaimon knows Cancellara won't take any legal action against him. let's not kid ourselves, that's how that sort of masterpieces are being sold - one single controversy smuggles a whole pile of crap no one would bother to read otherwise.


Cancellara just did, demanding the book to be taken out of the stores. All works in favour of the book sales. A demand to ban a book will only increase the sales of the book.

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Rondje wrote:
tymon_tm wrote:IMHO Gaimon knows Cancellara won't take any legal action against him. let's not kid ourselves, that's how that sort of masterpieces are being sold - one single controversy smuggles a whole pile of crap no one would bother to read otherwise.


Cancellara just did, demanding the book to be taken out of the stores. All works in favour of the book sales. A demand to ban a book will only increase the sales of the book.


Sure they don't have a deal? :shock:
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oh boy, just when I was starting to like the guy...

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it's nice and all, but my first and really only question is - where do we draw the line? because there's a great number of people in cycling branded or at least heavily talked about as dopers. there are managers and docs with shady past, riders - like Valverde or Bertie - who did their time and came back, there are Virenques, Vaughterses and Millars who either act like they didn't and/or point fingers at everyone else who - according to them - does dope. finally there are "legends", like Indurain or Merckx, who "never tested positive" - should they remain on the pantheon?

why the f**k can't the UCI or whatever fat guys focus on the present, perhaps create rules that wouldn't allow teams like Astana or Bardani collect doping bans one after another and still participate in races like it's riders' "individual problem". people with shady agenda have a place in pro cycling mostly because it's still relatively easy to cheat, and even if a rider gets caught - the are no repercussions for the staff, the managers, the docs - those who make the merry-go-round spin. in this play, riders are just disposable tools, yet they take all the blame. IMHO everyone who shouts "get rid of dopers and exdopers" doesn't really have clean cycling in mind - only his image and public perception. the fact that it's business as usual down in the teams gets nicely covered by a catchy slogan and a handful of empty threats.
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I miss steve tilford and his blog too. Unlike PG the guy clearly wasn't trying to make a living out of his writing on the sport.

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tymon_tm wrote: finally there are "legends", like Indurain or Merckx, who "never tested positive" - should they remain on the pantheon?


Merckx did test positive, multiple times. Indurain though seems to have gotten away with it.

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I feel so sad for the Sir. It really must have been hell. Taking drugs to shed weight under the guise of allergies or some nonsense. Thank goodness for money and good doctors (read TUE) and lost laptops.

http://www.velonews.com/2017/11/news/wiggins-anti-doping-probe-living-hell_452092

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sfo423 wrote:I feel so sad for the Sir. It really must have been hell. Taking drugs to shed weight under the guise of allergies or some nonsense. Thank goodness for money and good doctors (read TUE) and lost laptops.

http://www.velonews.com/2017/11/news/wiggins-anti-doping-probe-living-hell_452092


The investigation had little to do with the TUEs you reference, which shows that you are as uninformed as all these other smear campaign media drones. The TUEs were not part of the investigation because--all ethics aside--they were legally prescribed and taken. There was nothing to investigate. The UKAD investigation that was concluded was for the "jiffy bag" taken after the last stage of the 2011 Dauphine. I must emphasize the word after, because it was administered after he already won the stage and overall. The Daily Mail put this on a headline and implied that Triamcinolone was taken, however this doesn't make any sense because if they were trying to cheat, they wouldn't take it AFTER the race already ended and, moreover, he participated (and won) the 2011 National Road Race a week later, so any PED would have been flagged there if there was any (this is a moot point anyway since he crashed out of the 2011 Tour).

What is shady is Sky's excuses for having no medical records and the laptop being stolen is pretty absurd, but the fact is that the freaking DAILY MAIL put out this story which led to a 14-month long UKAD investigation for an allegation that didn't even make sense. Wiggins would be right to pursue legal action against them for defamation. It was unsubstantiated from the beginning.

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petepeterson wrote:I miss steve tilford and his blog too. Unlike PG the guy clearly wasn't trying to make a living out of his writing on the sport.

Because there's something wrong with writing books after a career in sport?


Cycling fans eh, decry pros for not speaking out and for being too vanilla. Lambaste them when they do. Screwed either way.

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