As a cyclist, i already pay a metric shitload of tax for roads. Doesn't seem to help.Butcher wrote:How about if we convince the bicycle community to pay additional taxes to make roads just for us.
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As for the "paying more tax" theme, funny enough yesterday I had a bloke open his windscreen and shout the common "you dont pay road tax so get off the road you wanker!" line. This has happened to me so many times its not even funny. Again another misconception, there is no such thing as "road tax" or "car tax". Anyone that works pays tax and its with that money that councils build roads. Conclusion: I work, I pay taxes, I have as much right to the roads as the bully motorist.
In London there seems to be a campaign to improve road safety after 6 deaths in two weeks. Yesterday at every red light there were cops finning cyclists left and right. Im ok with this as there are loads of idiot cyclists over here but what is the government doing on the motorist end of things? I dont see vans/lorries getting pulled over for reckless driving.
Some very progressive nations are adjusting taxes based on miles driven. I like that idea.
liketoride wrote:How many people know someone that was hit by a car?
How many regular/serious cyclists do you know who have never made contact with a car.
aerozy wrote:Conclusion: I work, I pay taxes, I have as much right to the roads as the bully motorist.
There is that, and the fact that many cyclists (dare I say the majority?) also own a car, thus of course also paying all the vehicle related taxes. Dunno where the "road tax" thing comes from, pure propaganda.
Thankfully I live in a place where traffic is manageable, the worst roads can usually be avoided, and most drivers are sane enough.
As a cyclist, I pay $0 dollars of road taxes. I will not and would never expect others to pay for the roads I use as a cyclist. If that happens, great, but I'm not expecting it. For me to whine about the motorist not paying for the roads I use for my bike, is just insane. I've seen and ridden on many bridges just for bikes, knowing that I did not pay for them as a cyclist. It's a lot like going to the food bank and complaining about the free food you are getting.
Yes, I do believe I do not get my moneys worth with the taxes I pay. But come-on, stop whining about something your not paying for. And all the 'bike only' roads in the world will not eliminate accidents.
The rest of the costs of these highways are borne by general fund receipts, bond issues, designated property taxes, and other taxes. The federal contribution comes overwhelmingly from motor vehicle and fuel taxes (93.5 percent in 2007), and it makes up about 60 percent of the contributions by the states. However, any local government contributions are overwhelmingly from sources besides user fees. The portion of the user fees spent on highways themselves covers about 57 percent of their costs, with about one-sixth of the user fees being sent to other programs, including the mass transit systems in large cities. In the northeastern United States, some large sections of Interstate Highways that were planned or constructed before 1956 are still operated as toll roads. Others have had their construction bonds paid off and they have become toll-free, such as in Connecticut (I‑95), Maryland (I‑95), Virginia (I‑95), and Kentucky (I‑65).
A bicycle lane with painted lines on the road is just a guide path for a bicycle. It is safer than having no lines on the road but not as safe as a barrier. But barriers are costly to build and maintain.
So the ability to ride in traffic falls on the cyclist. If you do not feel comfortable riding with cars even with the painted white lines on the road don't ride there. If you expect all motorist to obey the bike lane rules don't ride in the bike lanes: you will be hit by a car, truck, motorcycle or pedestrian guaranteed.
It's better to take the bike to a park and ride there or ride the lonely country road.
Don't ride in the city plain and simple.
Now if you want to ride in the city and accept the responsibility and risk then get educated on how to ride in the city. Remember that you are the only one that is the determining factor or your destiny based on your own decisions when riding in the same place as motorists.
As a cyclist, I pay $0 dollars of road taxes. I will not and would never expect others to pay for the roads I use as a cyclist.
Local sales tax, my property taxes, and a property tax bond go towards road construction here California. As a cyclist I pay a lot of money to build and maintain roads.
So to have cyclists pay a separate tax to use the road it is ludicrous. Most cyclists are motorists as well so they end up paying a double tax.
Now if they offered a discount to anyone that held a drivers license and a cycling license....
According to this article motorist only pay for about 1/3 of the roads. The rest is being payed from the general fund. I love the very rigid Cyclist vs. Motorist arguments. Reminds me of the Tax Payers vs. Union Members debates. Seems you can only be one thing these days in America.
Yes, the general funds pay for a lot of stuff for the roads, but I have a difficult time justifying that as a user of those 'special' roads, that I pay nothing for them [no more than the average citizen]. Recently a cyclists sued [and won] the government for a road that was not up to par.
Still to keep on task, accidents happen. We slip and fall all the time. It is not always someone else's fault. It is not right to ruin a another life on a true accident. It will not turn back time or prevent another one.
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