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ScuderiaDouroux wrote:mrfish: if you truly think a Chinese immitation Pinarello is 99% functionally the same if not better than the real thing, I have a bridge to sell you...
Let's get back to reality. Under normal use, fact is that any 1200g mid range carbon frame is just as fast as a 1200g Pinarello.
ScuderiaDouroux wrote:Not heavily investing into manufacturing? Is that why they offer a monocoque frameset in more sizes than anyone else, each requiring its own expensive mold? Is that why they use a Toray fiber not available to anyone else at this point
Fact is that Pinarello spends a very small proportion of revenues on manufacturing, since a large proportion is spent paying Sky to ride their bikes, glossy marketing ads, sponsorship of events, distributor margin and retailer margin. I think it's a safe bet that Nick Crumpton and Chinarello both spend a larger % of their revenues on manufacturing than Pinarello does.
So how do you think Chinarellos are made, if not using a mould?
Do you think the unavailable superfibre gives any real benefit over the 60MPA fibres available off the shelf? Again this is Marketing department spin. Pinarello likely uses 5-10% high modulus fibres somewhere in their frameset for stiffening, and probably T1000 for most of the rest of it. They like you to think that the bike is 100% made of "unobtainium" but this is not really the case. Funnily enough Chinarellos are made 100% of T700 as the intermediate modulus "do it all" fibre enables simpler layup and thus cheaper construction.
Read this: http://calfeedesign.com/tech-papers/grades-of-carbon-fiber/ and niccrump post here http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=51850&start=0
Sure, we could all pay $20 directly to the counterfeit sweatshop worker and get a bike that could break and cost half of your face, but the sport/industry of cycling as we all know it will just fall apart. (BTW, I still don't understand why people still think the fakes use the same layup technology and go through the same level of testing of a proper manufacturer).
The above is based on talks with many industry insiders and being deeply involved in talks about several possible bike brand M&A transactions.
My experience with Pinarello (and increasingly for some friends of mine, Trek) is that once you leave the shop, you're on your own.
Besides which, when I look at the "lifetime warranty" that is supplied with some framesets, the chances of one actually claiming on it in five or ten years is highly questionable.
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