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Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or Bust

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:05 pm
by Miller76
For all the MOOTS lovers - hopefully my next road bike will be from the MOOTS stable, at least that is the plan....

http://www.wired.com/playbook/2012/11/moots

Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or Bust

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:05 pm
by Weenie

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:02 pm
by bikerjulio
I like the look of a Moots.

My only question is why a high-precision manufacturer would be using a Pressfit BB?

Which was invented for firms that would or could not manufacture to BB30 standards.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:21 pm
by socratease
bikerjulio wrote:My only question is why a high-precision manufacturer would be using a Pressfit BB?

Which was invented for firms that would or could not manufacture to BB30 standards.


PF30 tends to have better bearing life. All aspects of machining ti are extremely expensive. I'm also curious how well titanium tolerates a pure steel on ti interface.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:49 pm
by ticou
Spoke to a premier LBS with all the big name frames and they said that Moots takes the time and trouble to make the best Ti tubes.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:29 pm
by Tinea Pedis
bikerjulio wrote:Which was invented for firms that would or could not manufacture to BB30 standards.

Not close to being the truth.

No idea about the bearing life, but speak to an engineer about machining tolerances for BB30 as opposed to PF30 and you'll understand it's not in any way a reflection on the abilities of the welders. Especially someone like Moots.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:23 am
by tobyinsydney
Even Cannondale has abandoned BB30 and they invented it! Despite the EVO having a BB30 sticker its actually PF30. Thankfully, as it will surely creak less...

BB30 was a real pain in the arse.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:53 am
by elviento
PF30 is likely the most accommodating BB standard on the market today. There are very few cranks that can't fit on a PF30, including some cranks that are preceived as being superior.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:35 pm
by styrrell
ticou wrote:Spoke to a premier LBS with all the big name frames and they said that Moots takes the time and trouble to make the best Ti tubes.


I've always admired moots but thats a bit silly to say. There are maybe 3-5 manf of Ti tubes used in bicycles and they sell to everyone. Moots buys tubes , then cuts/welds/finishes etc to make a frame. but they don't mfg their own tubes.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:42 am
by ticou
They do something with 'em that others don't, but i've forgotten what the guy said.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:41 am
by Tinea Pedis
It's certainly not making them.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:49 pm
by ticou
Shame they couldn't have done more about the aesthetic design.I Like Baum's too. If the job holds up, I might take a look at Ti in a year or so. The gym will have to hold up too as well..

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:03 pm
by Tinea Pedis
I'm not working for them any more, so just a regular owner.

Moots are damn nice bikes too though. I like their choice of tubing & of course excellent welds.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:36 pm
by ticou
I picket up their product catalogue whilst in the shop and it's nicely done. The red school house marks the start of the local 2 mile climb..it's green pastures all the way down there in Steamboat springs. They use premium, U.S made Moots Pi Tech ti in all their frames. And they use the latest in modern tech.

It goes on in a like vein for the rest, but I'm sure it's a fine product, the guy in the shop had no agenda.

Re: Moots’ Point: For Premium Bike Maker, It’s Titanium or B

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:36 pm
by Weenie