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elviento wrote:I met quite a few exdopers in person, truly believe many of them are "nice" individuals (whatever that means), but as part of the regime they didn't have a meaningful choice.
Sure they had a choice. Maybe they didn't have a "choice" if they wanted to compete at the elite international level and be one of the top riders in the world. But they still had a choice. Even if that meant them being perpetually a CAT 1 racer and having to work at the local hardware store. They still had a choice. No one held a gun to their head. They could have walked away at any point and said, "screw it" my values are more important than this. But no, they wanted the fame, glory, money and excitement that professional cycling would offer. Even if that meant doping, since everyone else does it it is just "an expectation" of the sport. They still had/have a choice.
Phinney, Tejay, Busche, Dombro, etc. I think are all clean.
Cielo by Chris King Cross Racer
http://sportsanddrugs.procon.org/view.r ... eID=002706
In addition, I wonder how informed they are in the process. Athletes take so many supplements (heck, even the average guy takes a lot these days) that the difference becomes blurred. They are merely taught not to trigger the thresholds. It's like bikes have to be 6.8 to be legal, but if you use some AX/THM bits on a Ultegra equipped steel frame, are you violating the rules? Rules become more a matter of technicality rather than morality at some point.
53x12 wrote: Sure they had a choice. ... They still had/have a choice.
Extensive caffeine usage was considered doping back then and riders were disqualified for using caffeine pills. Now caffeine is legal and I'm using it before races, generally time trials.
PED's are not neccesary illegal doping. Every rider is using what is available and is not on a banned substance list. It's just a matter of a line where a rider takes a needle...
I really hope that legends like Jens, Fabian, Philippe and many others raced clean, but I have a hard time believing they have never used any PED's. But if they did, doping definitely didn't turn them into the darkside like spanish riders back then who I believe used doping more than food. But one thing I'm completely sure of, they are 100% clean now.
53x12 wrote:Evans has some questionable ties to a dirty doctor so I won't include him on the list for myself.
Full explanation of his 'relationship' with Ferrari hopefully going to be published in the coming months.
Will let the internationals know if/when it happens.
Needless to say, it should put to bed this discussion.
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