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http://www.vxrs.org/picts/CastelliKISS2008-2.jpg KISS Chamois
http://www.vxrs.org/picts/DescenteOptima1.jpg Optima Chamois
http://www.vxrs.org/picts/CastelliBodyPaint3.jpg Body Paint Chamois
Does anyone know bibs that at narrow in the crotch area (and preferrably not too thick)?
(I hope the picture references work.)
these are kiss3
id recomend the Castelli bib shorts Endurance they look to have what your after.
Headfirst we go against the grain
Against the odds, against the grain
We go against the odds, against the grain
For example, I like the Descente Optima best, but they aren't sold anymore. I found an online description that the Descente Aero-X uses the same chamois so I bought one (the only place was ebay for that). Well, it turns out that the chamois changed and only the previous generation of the Aero-X (now called "Classic") uses the narrow chamois (and I can't find that version in size S).
For Castelli I can only find bib shorts with the new Kiss3 chamois. Any pointers (or URLs :-) welcome! It seems my search skills are not good enough.
PS: I also have tried
- Capo, Campagnolo: too wide and too thick
- Cannondale, DeMarchi, Giordana (some cheap models I got on sale so I could try them): those just don't feel right (fit, fabric, ...)
- Santini: good fit, but wears out very fast (sags after one season).
Yeah their lycra is lightweight, but have a look at that chamois, narrow, not too thick and confirmed good for at least 5+ hours... ventilated, gel pad at sit bone... blah blah....
Aside from that i am an Assos advocate so to recommend these isn't the norm, but credit where credits due....
When I took the bibs out of the tin box, I thought "These are heavy!". They weigh 227g, while the old Castelli Free weigh 167g and the Descente Optima weigh 147g. The gel core in the NAT chamois is rather heavy.
On a test ride the Santini "Smart" bibs feel fine despite the wide chamois in the crotch area. It seems to be due to the thinner chamois in that area, similar to the old "Kiss" chamois from Castelli, which has two different fabrics in that area (see picture in earlier posting: narrow, red chamois, surrounded by wider, thin black fabric.)
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