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by AJS914

spud wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:10 pm
Dan Gerous wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:48 pm
The guy only got fired lately but had a bunch of pedophile cases for years. Teams getting out of USA Crits is not just to protest against that guy's recent actions but more because USA Crits were okay with that guy and his known crimes until someone else banned him and it made the news... It's the fact they knew (or at least should have known) but didn't have a problem with him that pushed some teams to drop out of anything USA Crits.
Maybe I'm naive, but I'd guess that if the gov have the goods on you, you are going down. Having the charges dismissed seems unlikely, or at least I'd hope so.

I have no bone to pick or side to choose in this fight but it does bug me that someone is repeatedly dragged through the mud on the internet for having been accused of a crime by the government yet having had the charges dropped.

I googled "computer services theft" and found a similar case. An IT guy working at a government lab set up a porn server. It had gigs of porn on it uploaded by other people. It had a few images of child porn on it (a lot less than 1% of the total files the article said). The IT guy was finally convicted of computer services theft.

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by TobinHatesYou

spartacus wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:55 pm
Karvalo wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:23 pm
spartacus wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:41 pm
I don't see a list of demands or a proposed resolution from legion so IDK
From what I can see their position is not wanting to work with a company that is happy to employ a guy like that, and their resolution is to not work with them. What more do you need? :noidea:
So they're never doing a USA crit involved race ever again? Ever ever?

Each individual race is organized independently of USA Crits. USA Crits just brought additional support and the promise of stable team participation.

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https://www.andorradifusio.ad/noticies/ ... ana-acusat


>A resident of Australian nationality has been arrested this Sunday in La Massana accused of a crime against physical and moral integrity in the domestic sphere.

>The man, a professional cyclist and resident for years in Andorra, had assaulted his wife, who was attacked on the street after fleeing from the family home.

>The police checked him at around 4 o'clock in the afternoon and arrested him. This Thursday morning he was taken to court.

Let's not put out names though easily searchable for victims privacy..


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by UpFromOne

The pro teams that pulled out, at least for the time being, are making a much bigger statement than about one contractor.
Now I'm the last person to speak for Mr. Williams' org (for example), but the message is that cycling should be more equitable,
more fair, and more responsible than it has been. Cycling should never become like the filth of USA Gymnastics.
On the whole, riders, support staff, watchers, and everyone wants good wholesome sporting entertainment.
We may not always get that all the time, but that's clearly the aspiration.

It's now incumbent on USA Crits to be more aware of actual, and even potential, activities under their watch.

Likely that, once this messaging is agreed to by more stakeholders, then orgs like USA Crits, if they choose to carry on, can do so.
Otherwise just another shake-up, and a new leading org/promoter will somehow arise.

As a spectator, I just don't want anything negative to come upon the thought leaders like Mr. Williams, for being a leader.
That team is serving all of us.

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by Dan Gerous

sychen wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:06 am
https://www.andorradifusio.ad/noticies/ ... ana-acusat


>A resident of Australian nationality has been arrested this Sunday in La Massana accused of a crime against physical and moral integrity in the domestic sphere.

>The man, a professional cyclist and resident for years in Andorra, had assaulted his wife, who was attacked on the street after fleeing from the family home.

>The police checked him at around 4 o'clock in the afternoon and arrested him. This Thursday morning he was taken to court.

Let's not put out names though easily searchable for victims privacy..


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Respect to CyclingTips to not say anything until something official comes out, as many other medias have given enough informations that they might as well have given the name.

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by spud

UpFromOne wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:22 am
The pro teams that pulled out, at least for the time being, are making a much bigger statement than about one contractor.
Now I'm the last person to speak for Mr. Williams' org (for example), but the message is that cycling should be more equitable,
more fair, and more responsible than it has been. Cycling should never become like the filth of USA Gymnastics.
On the whole, riders, support staff, watchers, and everyone wants good wholesome sporting entertainment.
We may not always get that all the time, but that's clearly the aspiration.

It's now incumbent on USA Crits to be more aware of actual, and even potential, activities under their watch.

Likely that, once this messaging is agreed to by more stakeholders, then orgs like USA Crits, if they choose to carry on, can do so.
Otherwise just another shake-up, and a new leading org/promoter will somehow arise.

As a spectator, I just don't want anything negative to come upon the thought leaders like Mr. Williams, for being a leader.
That team is serving all of us.
Williams has stated that domestic professional riders should be able to earn a decent living at racing. It's a laudable goal, but it will take some kind of genius to make it happen, given the multiple failures of past years. He has unique assets that command attention, but at the end of the day, domestic bike racing is not a rich sport. Secondarily, will other stake holders throw their support behind a leader who also competes with them?

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by Mr.Gib

This thread is a bit like a tabloid lately, perverts, domestic assault, etc. As for racing, not enough attention on the three US cyclocross world cup races which were excellent. As usual the women's races were more competitive and entertaining. Vos is magnificent in all respects. And for the tabloid inclined there is footage of her with her shirt off - she looks like she is made of steel, just a great athlete. Also an interview of Quinten Hermans with a mouth full of grass and mud post race. Love this sport.

And here is a shot of World Champion Balsamo at Paris Roubaix. Note the condition of the road. Good thing it didn't rain for the womens race. :P
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spud wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:36 pm
UpFromOne wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:22 am
The pro teams that pulled out, at least for the time being, are making a much bigger statement than about one contractor.
Now I'm the last person to speak for Mr. Williams' org (for example), but the message is that cycling should be more equitable,
more fair, and more responsible than it has been. Cycling should never become like the filth of USA Gymnastics.
On the whole, riders, support staff, watchers, and everyone wants good wholesome sporting entertainment.
We may not always get that all the time, but that's clearly the aspiration.

It's now incumbent on USA Crits to be more aware of actual, and even potential, activities under their watch.

Likely that, once this messaging is agreed to by more stakeholders, then orgs like USA Crits, if they choose to carry on, can do so.
Otherwise just another shake-up, and a new leading org/promoter will somehow arise.

As a spectator, I just don't want anything negative to come upon the thought leaders like Mr. Williams, for being a leader.
That team is serving all of us.
Williams has stated that domestic professional riders should be able to earn a decent living at racing. It's a laudable goal, but it will take some kind of genius to make it happen, given the multiple failures of past years. He has unique assets that command attention, but at the end of the day, domestic bike racing is not a rich sport. Secondarily, will other stake holders throw their support behind a leader who also competes with them?
I have to agree that U.S. racing has always been a sporting outlier. After all, what was the apogee of domestic racing populism? Tour de Trump? :lol:

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by Dan Gerous

Hard to get much interest for a semi-amateur lycra-wearing field doing parking lot races in the land of NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB, even for most cycling fans, crits don't gather that much interest.

Yes the US CX World Cups were pretty good this year.

Vos is strong, not as much as in her best years but often just outsmarts her opponents, a shame she's now taking a break from racing but Ceylin Del Carmen Alvarado will be back to fill her void this weekend, although probably not at her best after taking a month off with illness.

I usually find it harder to care on the men's side with the best guys all recovering from their road seasons and some skipping the US rounds, but the racing was pretty good still. Quinten Hermans was impressive in the mud, didn't seem to enjoy the dry and warm conditions in Iowa, it will be interesting to see how he does in the more normal CX weather this year and against MVDP/Wout, but doing a full WorldTour level road season and a first grand tour sure looks to have made him a lot stronger, Iserbyt/Vanthourenhout/Aerts looked like amateurs on the tough muddy climbs in Fayetteville, he just powered away from them.

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Dan Gerous wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:42 pm
Hard to get much interest for a semi-amateur lycra-wearing field doing parking lot races in the land of NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB, even for most cycling fans, crits don't gather that much interest.

Downtown crits probably garner the most interest from non-cycling fans (just like downtoan temp street courses in motorsports generate more revenue than permanent tracks.) Cycling as a spectator sport isn't going to recover in the US if all we're doing is attracting CX fans to CX races.

Ultimately it's the prevailing view of the bicycle being a children's toy in the US that will forever keep cycling down. That leads to a lack of advocacy, which leads to lackuster infrastructure. If we build it, they will come...especially if gasoline starts costing $10/gal.

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by jasjas

Mr.Gib wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:16 pm

And here is a shot of World Champion Balsamo at Paris Roubaix. Note the condition of the road. Good thing it didn't rain for the womens race. :P
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A cracking first edition of the female PR, think it was M.Backsted who said that less rain (on a muddy course) makes it even more slippery, more rain washes the mud into the gutter, allows the tire to cut through the thnner mud and "grip" the pave - looks bloody dangerous either way!

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by Cycomanic

As a side note Backstedt is one of the best expert co-commentators out there. It's so much nicer to listen to him giving actual expert assessment of the race, compared to the team around Sean Kelly, where he essentially revels in his good old days and everyone else is essentially competing on finding race situations (places...) that relate to SK to kiss his a**s.

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by BenSiskri

Mr.Gib wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:16 pm
As for racing, not enough attention on the three US cyclocross world cup races which were excellent. As usual the women's races were more competitive and entertaining. Vos is magnificent in all respects. And for the tabloid inclined there is footage of her with her shirt off - she looks like she is made of steel, just a great athlete. Also an interview of Quinten Hermans with a mouth full of grass and mud post race. Love this sport.
It is the same on most cycling forums; non road disciplines get overlooked - which is a shame as there is excellent racing. We've had a fabulous season of MTB racing, and now the CX season has started, it too looks promising, especially the women's.

As for the World Cups, I wonder whether the race at Fayettville was any indicator of what might happen at the Worlds; it was muddy, and Brand eventually won, whilst Honsiger overcame another poor start to get a podium in the final lap. Virtually all the top women were there, apart from Alvarado (and Richards who called an end to her long season).

As for them men, it's a case of making hay whilst the sun shines; the big 3 will return late Nov/Dec.
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by UpFromOne

Two completely unrelated thoughts:

1. The advent of electric vehicles in general will keep "bicycles" as a kid's toy. E-bikes will continue to rise up in the market,
to become just one more form of motorized vehicle. And in so doing, non-human motors will continue to be king of the road.
Not intending to be pessimistic or noninclusive, but any form of motor is an existential threat to bicycles.
Even these little mopeds, whether of vintage or of late, are a factor affecting bicycle sales and uses.
I just don't see the latest pandemic bump in sales, at least for the U.S., as permanent.

2. Ashton Lambie. Not just yesterday at Worlds, but everything he has accomplished for cycling. He's got the "right stuff."

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