Wheelset advice - CarbonBikeKit / Wheelsfar / CRW / Farsports / Deerobust

[Beancouter]

Planning my next wheels and looking for some advice. I currently have 2 sets of wheelsfar 30/24 in 50mm and 30mm, laced to RD230 hubs with 21 sapim CX-ray front and rear.

The weight is great (1,108g and 1.218g) but I find they have too much flex out of the saddle, so much so that I can pretty much push the rim to the seatstays on my Aethos.

I am therefore going to go for something different. I want them:

- as light as possible (obvs!),
- 40/45 depth (think will look less OTT on the aethos) and
- stiffer (but not stiff they break my back on rubbish UK roads).

I have honed it down to 3 but alternatives considered (+the FS Evo, albeit too deep). Would really welcome peoples thoughts / experiences.

I am leaning towards the Extralite + Hyper combo, in part because there are the lightest (!) but also I think they have a pretty quiet freehub (6 bolt rotors will also save another 20g) I am however worried they will be too stiff with 24 carbon spokes F+R

I am also wondering if any benefit of having narrower rim profile on tye rear. I know it is considered good on deeper profile wheels but wasn’t sure if worth it on 40/45




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[bmrk]

Don't do the extralite with carbon spokes as they are the round carbon spokes with bonded threads, much less durable and prone to fail than the bladed carbon spokes that require specific hubs.

The rd270 hub from farsports uses the bladed carbon spokes and the hyper+rd270 is a good balance of weight, stiffness, aero(?) and cost.

[razorree]

you can get it

The rd270 hub from farsports uses the bladed carbon spokes and the hyper+rd270 is a good balance of weight, stiffness, aero(?) and cost.

20h/20h spokes, currently at around ~1050usd (ask wheelsfar in an email)
can be 40 or 45mm deep and 21 or 23-24mm inner width (If I remember right)

[Mr.Gib]

The weight is great (1,108g and 1.218g) but I find they have too much flex out of the saddle, so much so that I can pretty much push the rim to the seatstays on my Aethos.

As a fellow hater of flexy wheels, I tend to focus on wheel stiffness and look to tires and contact points for my comfort. If you don't like what your current wheels do when you accelerate, imagine what they do under much greater braking forces, cornering, etc. Can't be good for control. If you just like to cruise around on relatively tame roads it will make no difference, but it sounds like you are demanding somewhat more from your equipment.

For super low weight and stiffness, carbon spokes are likely the best option. I'd also expand your search beyond the listed options. For CRW, I like their 50mm rim that comes with the slighly heavier 5060 set. It is 25/32 at the bead hook but the widest point is 34mm. Depending on what tires you plan to run, this profile can be very useful, particularely for someone seeking more comfort. It's the ideal base for most 32mm tires, and 30mm and some 28's can also work very well. Provided a bike has the clearance, a set built with these rims front and rear would be interesting. FWIW I am not a fan of the flat sided 29mm external profile for a front wheel - just not as nice with tires above 28mm.

[Tpduke112]

Farsports are no holes. You can remove that question mark. Was one of the selling points that made me go with them over CRW.

[Agent041]

After having now several carbon spoke wheels (all Farsports/Wheelsfar) and then trying again steel spokes, I do not understand, why people still think carbon spokes are harsh to ride. To me, they are equally comfortable. And the roads I ride are not exactly great. And you also get better stiffnes, better acceleration, better cornering,... And if one finds comfort a bit harsh, you can still lower tyre pressure a few PSI (yes, only few) and get even better comfort for practicly no worse rolling resistance (well, maybe 0,1 or 0,2 watts lower).

All my carbons spoke wheels also have wide internal rim (at least 24mm), so this definatelly improves comfort and cornering,... but recently had Newman A 49/54 with steel spokes, that also had 24mm internal, and comfort was not better, but everything else was worse.

[Beancouter]

Thanks All, so far! Keep it coming. I guess for context, I haven’t had any problems with my RD230 hubs, and so the RD270 would definitely be an option.

Any views on the idea of having 30/24 front 28/21?

Also, any experiences of Non-Plus (used to be sold in the USA under licence as Tactic). Given they run 24/24, wonder what I would lose / gain vs the RD270 (20/20, I believe); I can definitely see an upside to steel spokes (particularly with no holes in the rim bed) from a ease of maintenance PoV.


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[Agent041]

Any views on the idea of having 30/24 front 28/21?

Personally I will not ride anything narrower as 24internal anymore. The only way, you will benefit from 21/28 in the front, if you really want maximum aero, if you run 25c tyre. Otherwise I would choose 24/30.

[pipii]

Thanks All, so far! Keep it coming. I guess for context, I haven’t had any problems with my RD230 hubs, and so the RD270 would definitely be an option.

Any views on the idea of having 30/24 front 28/21?

Also, any experiences of Non-Plus (used to be sold in the USA under licence as Tactic). Given they run 24/24, wonder what I would lose / gain vs the RD270 (20/20, I believe); I can definitely see an upside to steel spokes (particularly with no holes in the rim bed) from a ease of maintenance PoV.


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The wr and wl of nonplus road hub are 36.3 and 16.9, which will cause uneven tension of two sides. Personally, I would not consider super cx.Maybe alpina hyperlite if you want save some grams or just cx ray anyway.

[Beancouter]

Anyone used Deerobust?

They look competitive on weight v wheelsfar ( better on paper), which makes them about as light as you can get

Their wheel chooser similar to LightBicycle (website a bit clunky)

They also have Berd spokes which is the first I’ve seen online direct

Says based in Wyoming but can’t believe they are not Chinese!

A couple of build examples, all 40F/45R:
- the lightest set spec’d are with 28e/21i.
- the other 2 are 32e/25i
- All Carbon spokes (albeit own brand 20/20 and Non-Plus 24/24)

Non-plus hubs about 70g lighter than their own brand.

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..and just for fun …. Non-plus + Berd; 40F/45R 28e/21i





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[Requiem84]

I don't see much special about them?

[Beancouter]

I don't see much special about them?

1.100 grams in 40/45 @$1000 …. Not sure they is much out there which gets close.


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[bobones]

I don't see much special about them?

1.100 grams in 40/45 @$1000 …. Not sure they is much out there which gets close.

I'm seriously considering these too. I bought a pair of their rims for a build about 3 years ago and the quality was impressive. They seem to be a reasonably big player, and do stuff like team sponsorship which gives me good vibes. The name Deerobust is a bit naff, but custom logos could fix that.

Customer service is also responsive as my email query about availability of XDR Non Plus hubs was answered within a day or so by "Sophia".

[Beancouter]

I don't see much special about them?

1.100 grams in 40/45 @$1000 …. Not sure they is much out there which gets close.

I'm seriously considering these too. I bought a pair of their rims for a build about 3 years ago and the quality was impressive. They seem to be a reasonably big player, and do stuff like team sponsorship which gives me good vibes. The name Deerobust is a bit naff, but custom logos could fix that.

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Customer service is also responsive as my email query about availability of XDR Non Plus hubs was answered within a day or so by "Sophia".

I’ve messaged them through insta to see if they wil share more info on the ‘own brand’ hubs and spokes ….

If they want to get traction on this forum (which you would assume is the case given they are targeting WW) they need to increase their presence and provide more visibility. I was an early adopters of Chinese wheels and am happy to take a degree of risk, but also like to feel as though my decisions are well researched…


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[toxin]

The C1 hub is made by h-works, same as used on farsports, 8Lien, some of no6 and a bunch of other farsports rebrands. C2 I have no clue.

Non-plus hub's a bit of a headscratcher as the regular version wouldn't fit the wide carbon spokes, only the much worse designed thinner carbon spokes. And there is no reason to make a 24 hole hub if the intention is to use carbon spokes.

The wide spokes look the most like stren, but the picture is pretty bad.